trench digging

Anyone use a ditch witch or the like for digging trenches?

I have some large tree roots on the side of my garage right where I need to put in a trench.

I did my back yard a few years back with one, but was not told about greasing the chain until it fell off. By then I did not have a chance to get back there and see how well it would do before I ran out of daylight.

As it stands, I will mostly likely have to dig on at least one side by hand… (Hopefully no roots on that side.)

I’m tired of having a garage that floods in the rain. If I can keep the water out, I’ll replace my sill plate and put it on blocks. I have been putting it off pretty much since I moved in :frowning:

Never used one, but I would be interested in how you replace the sill plate and do the blocks. I need to do this with mine on one side where the garage has settled.

I plan to brace the walls, jack it up a little, cut bottom of the studs off as they are rotting.
Put a row of blocks on the edge of the slab with anew bottom plate then lower and secure.

I’m sure nothing will go terribly wrong

how big are these tree roots? If they are small (under a couple in or so) itll tear them right out, but if they are big you should probably dig around them by hand and chainsaw them out if chopping at them with a shovel or hatchet gets you nowhere. Just make sure the chainsaw chain stays out of the dirt

So, renting the ditch witch is $168 or so for the day.
I can most likely only use it on one side of the garage, so I’m going to do it by hand :frowning:

Already broke one shovel handle. I should only have a few large roots to get through that are ~3-4" dia.
Unfortunately for me, on the back side a root is at least 4" dia and runs 10-12’ along the garage then under.

Looks like I’m setting up for another summer long project. I don’t have a chain saw to cut the roots, but I do have an ax and a lot of aggression I need to work through

Joe,
when dealing with roots, a pick & sawzal are your best friends

yea using a axe really sucks bc the roots are pretty soft. takes forever to break through one. maybe buy a cheap one?

I have a sawzall and a landscaping axe…
I may get a pic eventually…

sawzall always worked great for me. post some pics when u get a chance

My garage is the best…
This is the best it has ever looked after rain. It’s just damp and not a huge puddle that extends
around the 3 interior sides.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6242/dsc02113medium.jpg
No sill left what so ever.
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3130/dsc02114medium.jpg
Rats used to love my garage
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5776/dsc02115medium.jpg
Notice the stain where grade is
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/236/dsc02101medium.jpg
roots to deal with
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1877/dsc02103medium.jpg
More roots
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1162/dsc02104medium.jpg
Probably the root most responsible for screwing me
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7453/dsc02105medium.jpg
Back side. Notice the stain/rot level
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7992/dsc02107medium.jpg
Trying to give an idea of depth
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6867/dsc02108medium.jpg
Attempt #2
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/440/dsc02110medium.jpg
Pretty good pic showing how fucked I am.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2940/dsc02111medium.jpg
The remaining side.
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9333/dsc02112medium.jpg

No pics of the Front, but the driveway is slightly lower than the garage, so the puddle extends out of the garage
door on both sides.

Now the question is: What to do w/o much money. No replacing the garage. No replacing the pad etc…
I was hoping that replacing the sill with a row of cinder blocks and new sill would help, but it is farther below grade than I had thought.

Wow. Good luck.

Did you have a contractor come give you an estimate? At least they might be able to tell you what needs to be done. Then go from there?

As far as replacing a sill I am curious about the best way to to this. I have to fix a portion on my garage as well but it is not nearly as bad.

If you are just replacing one, brace the garage, cut/remove the mounting bolts on the sill. Then cut the studs at the equivilant height of 2 new 2x4’s and insert 2 new 2x4’s and add/replace the bolts holding it to the slab
Thats what I would do anyway.

I’m sorry to say that I have picked this project up again…
3 years later, not much has changed. I will need to update the siding now too…

I’m about half done with the digging now. I would like it to be deeper so I can get the 4" drain pipes below the garage slab.

My neighbor seems to think my garage is responsible for all the neighborhood rats (it’s not) and had put some stone and poison along his fence for me…
never mind the fact that I have a dog.
before



after

Looks like I will have some of the stone I need for the drainage :slight_smile:

I still have some roots to deal with and have decided to run a line across the front of my garage as well.

If there is one thing I dislike as much as digging, it’s breaking concrete without large tools.


Stupid roots

looks like a miserable project… good luck.

I’d accidentally use some carb cleaner and a welder and forget to have a fire extinguisher handy. Might consider doing one or two courses of CMU along the bottom (stone filled cores) and extending the mounting studs for top plate…would be pretty weather-proof afterwards

You might need a kevlar jacket for this job.

Two courses of the $0.98 blocks is what I have in mind. Not sure what Mortar is required. The stuff at home depot says “non-structural”

I waited 3 years for an accident and I’m tired of waiting. I’m also not a fan of DIY accidents.

just apply a concrete sealer on the outside before back-filling and such, mortar is mortar isn’t it? lol, I suck at concrete stuff.

Type S mason mix should be fine. Mix with water.


It’s already better…
After yesterdays rain, very little water came at in the garage door

Once I can tie into my drain tile, water should no longer be a problem.
I just need to find drain grates/pipe to run across the front.