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They’re not supposed to be spying on all Americans lol

If we know about it…it’s because they want us to know about it. That’s my feeling on the matter anyhow. I suspect the puppeteers feel Americans are now sterile, pussified creatures that won’t fight back no matter what freedoms they are revoking.

haha oh yeah, only the ones with beards and turbans, I forgot.

They’re supposed to follow up on intel and do actual work…Not take all the information in the US and try to make it relevant.

So after reading more about this, if it really is true that the data only included where the call came from and who it went to, I’m ok with this. Obviously I want to the government to be able to see which calls are going overseas and to where they are going. If they suspect any terrorist activity at that point, they have to get warrants for unlocking the information tied to the phone numbers involved.

I think with the scandals coming out every other day involving different parts of the Obama administration, these stories are just assumed to be major scandals when I think this one might not be so serious…

Where’s anonymous when you need them? They could hack that database and heads would roll.

It wasn’t just overseas call its was domestic to domestic.

Now a days its dumb to use a cell phone for this stuff anyways…Encrypted chat/voice over the internet everyone knows this drug cartels, hackers, terrorists all use this.

haha I know that … I am just being an asshole.

Why didn’t these records protect us from the Boston Bomber

Well, regardless of what calls were pulled, it wasn’t like the info released was anything personal. I would be more concerned about the PRISM program since that is a real time, actual information probe.

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Even after other governments alerted us…

You can’t analyze that much information quick enough and people use alternative means to communicate.

A lot of people go “I have nothing to hide” which is great but the job of government isn’t to be big brother and tap all communications…and we all know governments have never abused power or information over the course of history.

The NSA gathers all this information but it took store cameras and cell phone videos to find the Boston bombers…So basically lets collect every piece of information feed it into some algorithm and find suspicious activity which doesn’t work.

This also takes an unlimited budget funded by the tax payers :tup:

I can’t wait to see the grilling General Alexander takes in Vegas this year after saying they don’t capture any traffic about Americans :lol:

“We don’t have the technical insights in the United States. In other words, you have to have something to intercept, or some way of doing that either by going to a service provider with a warrant or you have to be collecting in that area. We’re not authorized to do that, nor do we have the equipment in the United States to collect that kind of information.”

Oddly enough he is a nice guy he was recruiting in Vegas last year got the chance to talk to him for a while lol

But it was used to stop a potential terrorist attack…

This is the part people need to pay attention to. The government is telling us they need the monitor the phone records of every citizen to keep us safe. When Russia calls us up and says, “This guy right here is a terrorist, you better pick him up because we’re pretty sure he’s going to do something bad” and we do nothing how in fuck are we supposed to believe the government has any legit use for billions of random phone calls? You couldn’t connect the dots on a guy you were specifically told was a terrorist, had terrorist crap all over his youtube account, and just flew back from an area known for training terrorists. Maybe if the Russian’s had called us a from a Verizon cell we could have stopped the Boston bombing.

both of these are sort-of my rhetorical, smart ass point.

actually, i spend quite a bit of time analyzing phone-record-like network records (netflow) every day as part of my job. And while it’s not phone records, but network traffic. I can see what machines talked to each other, on what port, and for how long. I can tell you that when you are looking at that data, it’s really hard to analyze it. It’s basically like searching for a needle in a hay stack, and you have to know what types of patterns to look for, and have a general idea of what the interesting source and destinations are. For me, I know what my interesting source IPs are, and what ports they should be talking on, and maybe even when and where it should be talking to. How does the government do that with people and phone calls? Combine it with other intel is the only way. Without knowing who to target, how do you just look at a list of phone calls and decide which are sketchy? The ones to foreign countries? The ones to the middle east? The ones at odd hours? Who’s to say that boardjnky4 shouldn’t be calling India at 3am? Does that suddenly make me a person of interest? Maybe my computer is just broken, and I have insomnia. You really need to start with some base intel, like for example, ANOTHER COUNTRY WARNING YOU ABOUT SOMEONE. Then you can grab THOSE RECORDS ONLY and analyze who they’ve been calling, where they are calling, what hours are they calling at, etc…

So that’s really the part that bothers me, is that they might target patterns that will flag innocent americans as false positive terrorists. Combine that with the bullshit that congress and the president has been passing, which says that I can be detained indefinitely if deemed a potential terrorist, and that scares the fuck out of me. Combined with the fact that they are obviously missing real terrorists (false negatives), I have a real problem with all of it.

:tup:

Optical taps on 10Gb/40Gb/100Gb interfaces and b00m all the internet traffic

yeah, I know for a fact that Verizon employs a Security Research team to analyze large amounts of internet traffic passing their boundaries to look for emerging threats, APT, etc… and they even notify companies/people that they identify as compromised by the threats they are tracking. They have a high level of success and confirmation rate, when they work with those folks to help them fix their issues. If anyone thinks that the same traffic can’t be analyzed for behavioral activity and personal information, they are delusional.

Entropy in PDFs and other files to detect shellcode has an amazing detection rate with very few false positives.

Even SSL is kinda fucked since I assume NSA has the hookup on root certificates lol

http://www.infowars.com/david-petraeus-at-bilderberg-to-craft-big-data-spy-grid/

David Petraeus At Bilderberg to Craft “Big Data” Spy Grid

It’s ironic that Petraeus is helping bolster the very same surveillance system that brought him down last year when details emerged of his extra-marital affair.

lolz

SSL at least protects you from the network sniffers looking for low hanging fruit, but it really shouldn’t instill a whole lot of trust of protecting you from the government.

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that irony is beautiful lol

I’m surprised this didn’t come up when Petraeus got caught.

Him and the girl he was banging would share a gmail account write an email save it to drafts and never send it…

[sarcasm]isn’t gmail over SSL by default? wierd…[/sarcasm]