I can’t believe anyone would bash stand alone systems. On second thought, their junk, sell yours today for cheap… to me
dsmlink IS the ecu…not a bandaid that plugs over top of it
does it allow you to go to speed density? I didn’t think so
hotwire maf is still more accurate anyway.
doesn’t matter what i do
to each his own…full standalone has its advantages if you have access to a dyno and either you or someone else is an experienced tuner…but i mean piggybacks are getting pretty advanced these days and are much easier to use, i dont know what the big argument is about, its just usually those guys who feel like they are superior because they paid an arm and a leg to control their fuel and timing( AEM EMS) but honestly ive seen people who had their call all tuned up and then some dumb ass presses the wrong button and then the car runs like ass because the standalone is too sensitive… so i mean… yeah
if you knew what dsmlink was you wouldnt put up a post comparing stand alones to piggy backs…they’re BOTH standalones dsmlink is the factory ecu that can be programmed dynamically from a laptop, you’re not “fooling” the ecu into thinking something it’s not seeing…the ecu knows what’s going on.
sorry dude but speed density>MAS.
ECU’S N’ that
[QUOTE=BoostedITR41]DSM link is just another band-aid.[/QUOTE
i read an article about BMW thinking the same about turbos.
just a band-aid for a pour engine. :dunno:
DSMLink does control timing and fuel, allows MAS compensation, logs different things, yadda yadda, but is considered a piggyback, because it still relies on the factory ECU for some things, and doesn’t replace the ECU.
However, this is NOT like an SAFC or something. It has a lot of control, and is plenty for 99% of people.
I’m with childdamier though, there is no reason for argument, aside from conversation.
haha, next thing you know they’ll be saying that the ecu+ is a super wonderful standalone too…
i’ll post more later when i have more time…
ems> all
there is a reason why all the “big dogs” run the ems and run the times that they do. if the dsmlink was so wonderful and being half the cost then why isnt anybody running this besides kids who dont want to spend money???
What you got under the hood? some ECU’s and headers?
/funny NP story
On a serious note, everything matches blue! :bigok:
he has spoken :bowdown:
yup does DSM link have traction control? 2 step? the ability to create your own base map or simply upload one from the site?
didn’t think so
dont get me wrong, the dsmlink is a good system for people who are running a pretty serious street setup( ie low 12 sec car to a mid to high 11 sec car) but after that, the dsmlink is no match for an EMS system.
and as for user friendly software. the EMS isnt all that bad, basically all you have to do for part throttle is put in your injector size, put on auto tune and go drive around for about an hour as the EMS figures out the part throttle fueling. thats all i did and i can pull about 300 miles out of a full tank of gas and thats also rolling into boost once and a while. and WOT all you have to do is mess with timing a boost. no messing with the fuel maps is needed.
the EMS is a better system period. i remember there was a thread on the EMS message board a while ago about this and basically people went on there praising the dsmlink for the ability it has for the price, but when it came to making big numbers and being consistant, the dsmlink cant go toe-to-toe with the EMS. end of discussion
but back to the thread topic. bluemeanie is that seat going to be track legal? i thought that reclining seats werent nhra or ihra approved? :dunno:
kurt doesn’t exactly have reputation for going all out and buying the best stuff. Of course he’s gonna defend his choice in parts to the fullest.
sacntioning bodies don’t legal or illegal…as long as the are SFi apporved you can run em
ahh gotcha
yes, yes, and yes, also includes no lift to shift and auxiliry rpm control for nitrous.
the reason why the “big dogs” dont’ use it is because no one uses 2gs as a full race car…and it only works with 95 ecus and until a couple months ago 90’s…dont’ bitch about a program you dont’ know when it’s doing everything you’re asking that it does.
sam there’s a reason i posted the link…look at the front page
Feature Description
Persistent memory1 Remembers user adjustments permanently, even across battery resets.
MAF selection1 Provides selectable base MAF settings (1G, 2G, VR4).
Knock retard reset1 Resets knock retard value with every fuel cut event (shift, rev limit, etc.).
Inj disable1 Enable/disable individual injectors.
MAF comp2 Allows the user to “dial in” changes made to the air metering system (hacked MAF, bypass tube, or GM MAFT type unit).
Speed density2 Allows one to switch over to basic speed density operation when the existing MAF system is about to over run. A functional MAF is still required and the user needs to provide a manifold pressure signal to the ECU.
MAF clamp2 Defines a switch off point for the MAF, above which the ECU will extrapolate airflow data rather than read it from the MAF.
Coolant offset2 Provides adjustments for aftermarket (lower temp) thermostats.
Coolant MIL2 Warns the user when coolant temps exceed a certain value (defined by the user).
Nitrous controls2 Provides basic nitrous controls. Parameters include RPM window, throttle position, speed, and knock retard. The 1G version also includes a timing retard function.
No-lift-to-shift2 Keep the throttle down during shifts. Reduces lag and provides smoother shifting in many cases.
Antilag2 Provides a drag-style antilag system for spooling those large turbos at the line and during shifts.
Higher idle2 Provides necessary adjustments to cleanly support higher idle values (over 1000 RPM).
TPS/Idle switch2 Provides simulation of an idle switch and adjustments to the throttle position value “seen” by the ECU to support aftermarket throttle bodies.
Knock control2 Allows the user to adjust the conditions under which the knock sensor is used by the ECU. This provides a work around to the common “phantom knock” problem.
Gauge display2 Allows the user to change what gets displayed on the factory “boost” gauge. Common selections include coolant temp, idle control, O2 sensors, etc.
OBD II fix2,3 Fixes the OBDII MIL bug in the '95 ECU. Mitsubishi did a recall on the '96 ECUs but offered no fix for the '95.
Cranking fuel cut2 If the throttle is wide open while cranking, injectors are shut off. This seems to help clear out flooded conditions produced while attempting to start in REALLY cold environments.
DTCs Allows the user to disable some of the more annoying check engine light conditions.
Fuel cut Removes the airflow fuel cut.
Speed limiter3 Removes the speed limiter.
Knock MIL Flashes the check engine light if timing is pulled back more than 5 degrees (user definable) due to knock.
Fan Control3 Allows the user to turn on both radiator fans to their highest speeds.
Fuel pump Allows the user to force the fuel pump on without running the car. Useful for draining the tank without heating up the engine.
Cam inversion Manipulate the cam sensor signal so that injector firing order is swapped. Useful when DSMLink is installed in a car with a '97+ or 1G-style cam sensor. Yes, you still have to swap the plug wires…there’s not much we can do about that one.
A/T timing Retains ignition timing in between shifts on automatics.
Injectors Provides compensation for aftermarket injectors; idle like stock even with 720 injectors.
Fuel/Timing Provides RPM-based fuel and timing adjustments. The ECU automatically calculates the more complicated airflow based adjustments from your settings.
RPM limits Allows adjustment to rev limit, launch RPM, and idle point.
Datalogging Capture everything you could imagine, including knock retard! Sample rates of almost 300 bytes per second for the 2G version and nearly 200 bytes per second with the 1G.
Octane reset Resets the long term octane value on every restart of the car.
BCS flicker3 Removes the boost control solenoid (BCS) flicker between 2300 and 3900 RPMs.
and it does have a 2step that wasn’t listed there but elsewhere on the site…so sam…there’s your speed density (i dind’ tknow it had but isn’t using) your 2 step, your no-lift, your map controls, and your nitrous controls…