A hard look at the `street racing' law

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I was just discussing about that with a few people. If the law is that strict, you might as well run. It’s not like you have anything else to lose.

Obviously you shouldn’t be speeding in the first place but what I’m trying to say is that if you happen to get clocked going over 50kmh over the speed limit, you are better off running.

If you pull over, your car will be impounded, your license will be suspended and you could get a $10,000 fine. If you run, you might get away, or face the other consequences but they will be a little harsher.

Either way, good luck getting insurance if this were to happen to you.

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if you get a $10,000 fine you are not paying it anyways.

it becomes much cheaper and more reasonable, even over the long term, to simply drive without a license or insurance. Essentially as if you were an illegal alien in the US. something that 30,000,000 people do every single day.

Buy $500 beaters, no need to go through the expense of registereing, cert, e-testing or anything like that… just drive it and leave it on teh side of the road when it dies.

get pulled over? spend the night in jail, lose your $500 beater… start over in the morning.

makes perfect sense to me.

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That’s a good idea, I never thought about it.

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it’s not a good idea… but people forget how common it is.

California and NY, along with several other states, have seriously tabled legislation that would allow illegals to get licenses so they could at least get insurance so that when they hit people there is some sort of coverage.

It is a huge problem in the US what with all the illegals.

This 50 over bullshit in Ontario should drive people into that scenerio.

If you pay a $10,000 ticket you are an idiot.

If you pay a $5000 ticket you are still an idiot but not as much of one.

If you pay a $2000 ticket for speeding at 150… that is still too much for non-pre-meditated, temporary incident. that kind of ticket for not having insurance is totally different, but still silly to pay without a fight.

Run run run crash…

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Yep I would run too,

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I’m sure that if you run you could be guaranteed the $10,000 dollar ticket once they catch you. And chances are that they will catch you.

To solve this problem just drive at 140-149 like 90% of the people on the 400 series highways and you have nothing to worry about.

Yes, the law is harsh, but let’s face it, why on earth do you need to be going over 150.

Just this weekend I was about to call the cops on this dumbass kid riding my ass at 145. He eventually passed me and then proceeded to swerve in and out of traffic in his highly stable Acura Vigor full with thugs with their hats over their eyes. But then I thought…they are probably in a hurry to get to ImportFest.

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Actually, more often than not people get away.

they just get your plate and get you afterwards. Police chases are dangerous.

dont be fooled by TV Mr. Cal.

the point is not whether or not it is right or whether you shoudl be travelling at 150kph. That is totally beside the point.

The point is that people do and people will and that the law does not make the roads safer. It criminalizes non-criminal behaviour.

It is EXACTLY like gun control. People with legal guns dont need to be controlled. driving at 150kph is as dangerous as owning a gun…

meaning…there is not necessarily any correlation between speeding and traffic death just as there is not any correlation between owning a registered gun and being involved in a gun crime.

The situation you described about that dude in the vigor has nothing to do with speeding. It is dangerous driving… there were already provisions in the law to take care of that guy. this new law doesnt help any. All it does is criminalize people driivng 150kph in a straight line.

I could go on for days…

more accidents happen on a per capita basis below 150kph. more accidents happen as a result of intoxication, more injuries are related to not wear seatbelts. etc. etc.

you could already impound a vehicle for intoxication or excessive speed. The officer, at his discretion could already deem you to be unfit to drive and take your car and tow it away. That hasnt changed.

What has changed is that your ultimate fate was decided before a judge.

This law does not benefit anyone. It does not save lives and it does not prevent speeding.

I have said it before. Travelling at that speed is not a calculated, risk adjusted decision.

You do not drive 100kph and then gradually decide to increase speed and weight the speed verus the appropriate fine and then versus the increased risk of decreasing your ability to react to a situation in front of you.

Your own health is of far greater value than your dollars. Anyone would pay $10,000 to take back a severe traffic accident. And therefore you are not making a calculated decision when you travel that fast.

And IF you are not thinking of the consequeneces when you do travel that fast, which you are not, then it doesnt matter what the dollars associated to it are.

If this arguement doesnt get the point across then how about this…

Texas has the DEATH PENALTY and people STILL KILL each other…

So how much do you think the murder rate will decrease if you double the death penalty to killing people even more… like killing them twice and stuff?

If you enacted the death penalty for speeidng at 150kph over do you think you would eliminate speeding over 150kph?

nope… because people are not thinking about the consequence or may not even be aware when they are doing it…

therefore, the law does not eliminate speeding and therefore it does not make the roads risk free.

because it does neither of these things and taxes non-criminal behaviour so severaly it is effectly a subjective error in law.

The exact same arguement holds true for modified cars… they can be impounded for being modified and you guys are still buying turbos, rads, coilovers etc.

If you support, in any way shape and form, this law or defend it in any way and have a modified car you are a hypocrit.

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damn, that VW guy got it bad. that is horrible how our law can do that to someone.

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Bing, I love you, that was an awesome post. I hope you don’t mind I quoted you on MR.

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I just read that post, and really all I can say is “:(”
I don’t think anything else can quite say it… this is truly sad.

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link?

What is even stranger is that i can totally appreciate the logic behind this.

It is 100% the same as the WSIB’s campaign to increase fines to businesses who experience workplace incidents instead of helping them get safer.

On a per capita basis both accidents per person have increased as have fines. That is statistically a positive correlation between fines and accidents. So what does the WSIB do to combat workplace accidents?

They levy EVEN MORE fines. It is a fabricated arms race that is totally acceptable because if you oppose fining (punishing) deviant businesses you are therefore politically opposed to workplace safety.

In much the same way that you are against freedom, democracy or against the troops if you dont “support them” with that yellow faggot ribbon.

The issue is not the troops, its the war. The issue is not workplace safety, it is the fines. The issue is not the police or road safety, it is the law that is the problem.

Politically speaking, how could you oppose it? It’s like trying to pass a bill through congress about the war in iraq and tacking on a tax reduction for seniors at the last second.

If you vote against the war you also vote against tax reductions for seniors. Come election time you get it held against you in a $500,000 campaign add funded by our money.

If you oppose this law as a politician and traffic fatalities increase, you are some how responsible.

the best part is that Dalton Mcguinty and this dude in teh article who was gung-ho about the bill and anyone else pro-$10,000 fines know full well that this law is a sham.

They understand that no one can oppose it because of the reasons mentioned above. And since no one can oppose it it can be used as a political missile. Because it will actually get done and it justifies the position of the politicians involved.

It is difficult to oppose, earns tons of cash, will get passed, you can put your name on it = win win for politicians.

It’s exactly like how on SON some people think we should rearrange all the for sale sections so that we have a new section for OEM parts, suspension parts, cars, stereo…etc etc…

it doesnt actually do anything or make the forum any better… it simply justifies a position and lets someone say they did something.

Fuck that shit, and Fuck this law

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WOW… very well said Bing

Now what the fuck can we do?

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i have no idea…

the only logical thing i can think of is a well thought out plan of assassinations… but i dont think it’s worth it. That sort of thing is reserved for more significant political issues.

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It just makes me want to get custom plates that read: BILL 203 just to piss off cops.

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Vote NDP?

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Dear bing, http://forums.montrealracing.com/showthread.php?t=511025

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http://xs221.xs.to/xs221/07474/weird908.jpg

People running from the cops will do this cause of this law haha

edit, oh btw this was a hit and run

ref http://www.wreckedexotics.com/newphotos/weird/weird908.shtml