Then you better have your state issued ID.
What if you are here illegally and you’re walking down the street?
Well, with the Arizona law you have to have given the police a reason to stop you in the first place, at which point you’d be in for a hassle if you were a citizen or not. Walking around without your ID isn’t a real smart thing to do.
The AZ law is actually less-intrusive than that of the Federal law on the books no one tends to enforce.
I love how Mex-Pres comes up here and bashes Arizona about the law when Mexico treats their illegals 10x worse. Anyone want to guess where he got that idea? He should have been the one apologizing for Mexico’s discrimination and mistreatment of foreigners. Instead he gets an invitation to bash us while our president goes all over the word apologizing for America’s arrogance… someone just shoot me…
this question STILL cannot be answered…
why does America get on their knees for a third world (and failed state) country?
the world may never know
letter from retired BP agent. Just thought I’d throw it up
Dear Senator Frist:
There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.
#1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want US citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a US citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, instate tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their� offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.
#2. There are no jobs that Americans won’t do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can’t take and still support their families. Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won’t do for a decent wage.
#3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.
#4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful US residents.
#5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.
#6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The US accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.
#7. There is no such thing as the “Hispanic vote.” Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called “Hispanic vote” is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.
#8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the US. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the US from Mexico. During the Cold War, Mexico allowed spies hostile to the US to freely operate. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the US stole California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. If you don’t believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their school children.
#9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let’s allow those one billion to come to America and we’ll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I’ll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?
#10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.
#11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price? For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There have already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to US citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don’t even have the right to remain here? There will be a reckoning.
It will come in November of this year, again in 2012 and yet again in 2014. We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.
David J. Stoddard
US Border Patrol (RET)
Hereford, Arizona
its so funny how we manage to take a simple situation and fuck it beyond belief. Thank FDR for the current immigration situation. If we allowed people to come here, but work for their stay like our ancestors did , there wouldnt be a problem. Allow them to have medical care, free school and welfare benefits and this is what happens. We wouldnt need laws like this if we would just go back to the way it was done before.
United States v. Gov. Janice K. Brewer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/22/AR2010072201548.html
The law’s constitutionality is being challenged today.
if this laws constitutionality is being challenged, then the constituitionality for welfare should be challenged, along with welfare for illegal aliens, and free school for illegal aliens, and citizenship through birthright for illegal aliens, and the federal government involving themselves in a states affairs that has nothing to do with interstate commerce, and has everything to do with the 9th and 10th amendment, and the federal government removing national guard and border patrol agents and sending them to iraq, should i go on?
don’t forget social security and the federal reserve :tup:
So can the states also start building their own militias then? Since they apparently get all the powers of the federal gov’t now.
Im with Kuppler8 amd JayS. I welcome being stopped at 3am to check if I was drinking, just as I’d hope a cop would randomly catch a real drunk driver under the same circumstances. It’s called doing their f’ing jobs. I want to live in a nation where law enforcement is proactive and not reactive. Stop crimes before they are commited, drunks driving before they are killed, drug deals before an overdose.
I dont have a problem with immigrants working, I have a problem with immigrants not paying the same taxes I pay to live here. I fail to see the reason why the opposition wouldnt want the immigrants who want to stay here and work to simply get their citizenship (I welcome it!) , and are perfectly okay with those who want to remain illegals to continually abuse the system while we pay for it.
I fully support it. As it was stated earlier, if you’re an American, you have nothing to worry about. If you see a mexican walking down the road wearing every article of clothing he/she owns, and carrying a backpack…chances are they’re here illegally. If not, then they have nothing to worry about. I’m NOT against immigration to the US. I AM against ILLEGAL immigration to the US.
There is so much misinformation in this thread it’s comical. Here is the bill, I suggest you all read it before posting shit that you have no clue about.
Nope. There has to be lawful contact between L.E. and a person first before they can ask about immigration status. And at the same time, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to believe that the person is in the country illegally before he or she can inquire about immigration status.
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The militia is a state right, not a federal right.
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Ethnicity/race is not reasonable suspicion.
Are you at all bothered by how the journalist reports the political affiliations? What does it matter here?
Not at all because this is an issue where the two parties are pretty much on opposite sides. The public, who in every poll I’ve seen support the law, should be reminded of which party is for it and which party is against it.
Supreme Court just tossed all of it except the worst part. Stop and checks for immigration status by police are OK but everything else is gone.
That ‘worst part’ was upheld by every single justice on the bench in this case, lol.
Again, there has to be lawful interaction with them FIRST. You can’t just pull over people who look Mexican despite the fear hype. And if some yahoo cop decides to to just that, there are consequences. That part of the law was written well as evidence by the unanimous 8-0 vote. I’m sure there will be case-specific challenges in the future, but that’s all part of the process.
The rest of the stuff that was shot down makes sense and I actually agree with the majority opinion.
Anyone who wants to read: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-182.pdf
To tell the truth I didnt even get too much into reading this decision because I was too disgusted by the 5-4 reaffirming of Citizens United and saying that states may not circumvent it by having sane, 100 year old laws about campaign finance. I really hate this court. Thomas or Scalia getting hit by a train tomorrow would be the best thing that could happen to this country.
Arizona has every right to stop invaders and that is what these people are. There is no such thing as an “illegal” immigrant, they should be called invaders.