[quote=“zwarbyt,post:120,topic:24902"”]
HEYYYY GUYS IM HERE TO LEARN YOUR TRADE SECRETS LOL WHY CARE I’M ONLY GONNA COPY WHUT YUR DOING
J/K
KISSES
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OMGOMGOMG
DONT GO OT IN AN AUTOMOTIVE FORUM
OMG YER GONNA GET BANNED
/rx3
edit: car people have zero social skills…
[quote=“FormulaLS1,post:119,topic:24902"”]
You realize working on F-bodys is not profitable the market is already saturated with extremely good shops with long history’s.
There are a lot less Viper performance shops and getting an edge in that market can your business very profitable.
I am just a computer nerd though…I did not goto school for business…so this is pointless ranting.
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If you didnt go to school for business, how do you know about the profit margins of both markets? Why are you pigeon holing either of us into a specific market? I have a business degree, Im not asking him a business question. This was a simple engine question - what part of a bottom end was modified to product 100hp more than any other competitor in that field. If you understand the answer to that “trick”, then you can explain it to me later, bc Im just a squirrel trying to get a nut in your world sherm.
Because Dan is in specific market…Unless that Viper motor and turbo setup drops right into a 93 civic hatch…
You and Paul work on Fbodys people don’t come to you for honda hatch performance or for vipers…Im sure you guys would work on whatever but everyone knows that most of your work is on Fbodys.
Theres F-body shops every where…Hell Newera already has a good following and gets a decent amount of respect and they are what 45min from Buffalo.
Since this wasn’t dyno’d @ Dans shop or with Dan there I don’t see any reason to question the fact that he may have found a different more efficient way to make power on that motor with the type of setup it’s running.
As long as his customers questions are answered about the setup there’s no reason for him to tell anyone else publicly what’s done to the motor.
Good luck Dan. 
At the risk of getting into a virtual e-wang swinging match, I want to say that I see no way on God’s green earth of making an additional 100hp just by changing the way a short block is put together. I don’t believe it. To change my mind, I would want to have at least a general idea of what new materials/methods were used and it would have to appear plausible. I just don’t see how “building an efficient lower end” could produce “almost 100 RWHP more” running lean on 93 octane.
Why am I skeptical? Experience - I have never seen anything like those results, and knowledge - the bottom end doesn’t make power, it just uses it up. Where is there 100hp to be gained? Friction? Windage? Rotating inertia? Make all these thing zero, and I still don’t see a gain of 100hp. Nope, no sir, not me. It will take more than a post on the Internet just saying “I did it” to make me believe it. None of you may care if I believe it or not. That’s ok with me, 'cause I don’t care!
BTW: do you remember 100mpg carburetors? Now we can add the 100hp bottom end to the list of pipe dreams.
[quote=“Adictd2b00st,post:128,topic:24902"”]
could be one of them mystery dyno’s with inflated numbers too :gotme:
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It would take a lot more than dyno sheets. As you know, a dyno is only as good as the operator. You can, within pretty wide limits, make it show what numbers you want it too.
[quote=“rskrause,post:127,topic:24902"”]
At the risk of getting into a virtual e-wang swinging match, I want to say that I see no way on God’s green earth of making an additional 100hp just by changing the way a short block is put together. I don’t believe it. To change my mind, I would want to have at least a general idea of what new materials/methods were used and it would have to appear plausible. I just don’t see how “building an efficient lower end” could produce “almost 100 RWHP more” running lean on 93 octane.
Why am I skeptical? Experience - I have never seen anything like those results, and knowledge - the bottom end doesn’t make power, it just uses it up. Where is there 100hp to be gained? Friction? Windage? Rotating inertia? Make all these thing zero, and I still don’t see a gain of 100hp. Nope, no sir, not me. It will take more than a post on the Internet just saying “I did it” to make me believe it. None of you may care if I believe it or not. That’s ok with me, 'cause I don’t care!
BTW: do you remember 100mpg carburetors? Now we can add the 100hp bottom end to the list of pipe dreams.
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THANK YOU.
this is exactly what im saying. and i know THIS guy has 10x the engine building experience than the next leading guy on this board. sorry to all the leg humpers.
THE MAGIC PHONE NUMBER KNOWS ALL !!!
(716) 674 2500
the magic phone number says you can EASILY pick up 50-60hp by changing this and that around (bore, stroke, rod ratio, wrist pin height, ring pack height, compression ratio)
magic phone number ALSO says “but obviously if you make the engine MORE SUPERCHARGER FRIENDLY…”
he then summed up the conversation by saying “yea its possible” to the “extra 100hp” question
Im thinking that maybe, JUST maybe, Jim Oddy’s crew is a reputable source of automotive knowledge …
My cousin drove for that guy, Fred Hahn. Stout pro-mod cars out of that shop.
Just a quick post, and then I am out of here for a while.
To all the skeptics, continue to think what you will. I will go to no great lengths to prove anything to you or explain anything to you, wait until the final product puts down numbers HERE, in BUFFALO.
To all the guys who never doubted me and believed in what I have been working on, a sincere Thank You.
I will probably be out of the loop for a short time, a fallout with the girlfriend has left me numb. I cannot think nor feel like I did about cars for a little while, the passion for things like that went along with her. To think that there is even a chance that the amount of time I spent working on my projects in any way impacted our relationship kills me.
The things in life like this really put it all into perspective, how utterly unimportant in the scheme of things what we do is. Sure, we do what we love, its our passion- but it isnt everything. We are arguing and creating E-enemies over numbers on paper for things that arent even finished.
At any rate, I’ll be back soon… I need to get my head on straight again.
Edit: To answer TurdBlows question a few posts below, YES, I personally assembled the parts, and shipped blanks/prototypes back and forth with the manufactures for MONTHS. Eventually, we completed two versions, a Low Boost configuration, and based on that, the High Boost version. Very similar overall. There are at LEAST 3 dozen parts on this car that I designed, and at least 2 dozen of those parts were built/modified locally by local “non-automotive” machine shops, so I dont exactly think they had much input on my designs :rolleyes:
[quote=“rskrause,post:127,topic:24902"”]
Where is there 100hp to be gained? Friction? Windage? Rotating inertia?
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thats all I can think off. There is more rods, and counter weights… but 100 wheel. I call BS
its the dyno.
Wow, holy curveball batman.
[quote=“Final GTS,post:133,topic:24902"”]
To think that there is even a chance that the amount of time I spent working on my projects in any way impacted our relationship kills me.
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:ham:
Guy is going through a tough time right now. Give him his space. As he said, wait until this summer when the final project is completed.
pressure = :blah:
Final GTS, i like your attitiude about all this.
all that matters is that you’ve accomplished what you were shooting for. It even seems like you overshot your own expectations which is great.
keep going about what your doing, and hopefully you’ll see a good payout because of it. sorry to hear about your g/f, but things like that can be used to motivate you even more. use it to your benefit.
I really have to hold myself back from making a comment about someone taking their shirt off, possibly linking a few pictures…
Car sounds like it is very well built, and you seem to know what youre talking about…
Good luck with the business…
so it’s impressive why? because he doubled the power of the engine? whoopity do. yeehaw let’s start with 10 cylinders of flying fury :cough: tractor motor :cough: add in lots of displacement. (Remember kids there is no replacement for displacement.) so displacement + boost = double the engine output. Okay turbo did that. I don’t see what all zee hoopla is about. it’s an overpriced vehicle that now has an overpriced engine. But to each his own.