I don’t know the LGT owner at all and prefer not to take sides on who tunes better than the other. It’s a non-concern to me, since I own a bone-stock Honda.
But maybe because Emery has been talking a whole lot about how “crappy” Mike@IT’s tunes are and how he does such a better job. It’s not much of a stretch to think that some people with Mike’s tune will be convinced to try getting retuned with Emery…
wow, this just reminds me of when i used to have to try and deal with the local stereo shops , and thier ideas of the other shops… wtf grow up people… all it does is push people away from you forcing them to buy everything online or elsewhere and save money, instead of spending local, all over someones ego trip…lol… why discredit the next guy… its always someone elses fault isnt it?
I guess it would help if he was able to walk to the walk since he likes to talk to the talk so much.
his policy on genocide to the jewish people, concentration/ death camps. secret police keeping the people in line with fear for speaking out against there own goverment, and then bankrupting said country after that pesky world war thing that happened needing american help to rebuild there economy… but lets both sit back and enjoy the drama instead of discussing our ideas on germanys past leaders.
then why do you keep bringing it up? it was just a simple analogy
your an idiot. he made a comparison and you clearly went out of your way to try and prove him wrong.
I’m still curious how someone can claim an <10HP gain as a sign of victory? I’ve seen the same dyno vary that much on the same car on the same day in the past, what is this supposed to show us? The only intelligent discussion I’ve heard was from Mike. For the record, I’ve never purchased anything from either…
HP is great and all. I still see a 40ft/lb increase in torque If I’m reading this right…
Stay classy.
your right, 40 ftlb in the midrange is huge, now I’m not knocking Emery’s tuning ability, I just have a few inconsistancies between the 2 tunes that prevent anyone from saying who the better tuner really is
Mike admitted he put a safe tune on the car, we all know he left some power on the table in favor of a more reliable tune.
a 40 ftlb gain at that point is the type of results you’d expect from having the factory tune to an off the shelf tune, and more then you would see in going from an off the shelf tune to a protune, let alone going from one protune to another. 1.5 psi more boost is not going to explain that large of a difference, and given Mike’s experience, I highly highly highly doubt that given equally aggressive tunes, Emery would find an extra 40 ftlb even with the added 1.5 psi.
Thats not to say that Emery might find a few extra ftlb and HP then Mike, but to compare these 2 dyno charts and expect anyone who looked at them critically and without any bias to not see that something doesn’t add up is rather funny.
a datalog would help, going from a conservative tune to an aggresive tune would tell you right off the bat how the power was made up for.
It’s hard to say how aggresive one tune is vs the other without AFR’s and timing but I can see what your saying. I can tell you no matter what shop does your tuning I doubt either one is going to let a car go out with it on the ragged edge, that would just be plain dumb. It doesn’t take much to have something go wrong with the wicked temp changes, fuel inconsistentancies wny has.
Emery knows superfggtsti has deep pockets to spend on his car.
nice numbers anyways
So if you make all of your horse power under 4500rpms, isnt there any other way to make more power up top?
edit: nvm, i switched the torque line and the hp line on the graph lol :picard:
Im just going to add my .02 cents here…
You can think im “siding” with Emery since this forum usually turns into picking teams, which IMO hurts members who actually care to read these things for the information. Naturally Im from Rochester so buffalo sucks…:hang: PLEASE.
I am friends with Emery, but Im not affiliated with either shop as far as making more power on my cars.
First,
More boost does not always yield more power… If the extra air you are throwing into the engine is hotter air and its potency is nowhere near that with the same amount of air in a cooler state then you wont make more power. fact that the air temps are higher will effect HP.
Ill say it again, more boost does not always equal more power. The statement of “more boost equals more power” is horribly vague IMO.
This is a perfect example that it can depend on many variables. In just this particular test that statement can ring true or false simply by viewing varying rpm points on the dyno. If you look at this graph you can clearly see a big difference up until redline in TQ.
1lb of boost does not = 40ftlbs of TQ
NICE GAIN
Mike, we know you’re going to side with Emery since you’re posting from STM, not because you’re in Rochester 
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ROFL. Welcome to the internets
Point?
would it matter if I posted from here, my house, buffalo?
What I said has been proven many many times.
Im not siding. stating facts…
Emery is a friend. Ok move past that part and read what I wrote
lol @ biased opinions and this Nate guy…
i dont see the point in the “who is the better tuner” department as im sure there are plenty of people out there would could do better etc etc etc,
why someone would pay 800 to emery for a 10hp/30ftlb change is what gets me,
if the car is safe and makes reasonable power why would you get a retune unless emery did it free or at a lower cost just so he could post up a graph showing how much better of a “tuner” he is