DMCC 2009

Well from what I’ve seen at downsview, it’s pretty sad. Downsview is high speed while entering the first corner but the middle sections at last years event were definitely slower than what we normally see on SMP. Also in 2007, that track layout wasn’t incredible high speed either.

Remember Jesse? He ran the PRO course and fukn KILLED it with his mild setup ka-t while sponsored and “professional drivers” couldn’t even drift the first freakin corner and spin out.

As I said, I’m only basing my opinions on what I’ve seen at both years at downsview. I know DMCC mostly runs on oval high speed tracks but if you can’t do medium speed downsview, then those “professional” drivers should re-evaluate their skill level.

PS: Jon Lapada killed the 2008 layout although they didn’t let the amateurs do the long stretch at the back, but he still rocked that course.

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we are lacking skill, but what we need is a drifting expo like hin etc so more ppl unserstand it.
i love watching the am’s kill it.

Oh I don’t have any disillusions, I know racing is retardedly expensive. I’ve almost started into rally twice, and I live too far away to feasibly get into drifting competitively. But to keep it on topic, that’s the point of this discussion I think… And the key to keeping new drivers coming in Ontario, we need some way for the Am’s to break into the competitive environment at a reasonably affordable, and more importantly, approachable level.

well i know a bunch of guys that would be interested in this, i am for sure

thing about the barrie speedway and smp is that a lot of people like going to smp cause you can do alot of the turns with a stock KA.

I doubt anyone would have a good time drifting those oval turns in something stock, and unfortunately not everyone has the budget for a “drift” car (of any level), but they have the passion for drift.

Just sayin.

I’d be down to attempt the oval in my KA this season.

for starters.
we need open lot
couple of pilons and lots of tires
figure eights and shit like that. but in toronto. in mississauga. in scrab. then at these events we build it up for up comming track events.
so ppl knwo more about it.

i know if iw as driving and is seen a punch of cars on a private lot doing crazyyy ass shit id want to see whats going on.

Mikey, although it took me a couple times to re-read your paragraph (?), you are right. I mean, truly, if I were driving down say, Rexdale Blvd, and saw some sort of organized demo going on in the parking lot, that’s clearly visible to the public, I’d definitely pop in to see whats going on.

Its just ever so hard to get the co-operation of lot owners like that to participate.

lol me being high and typing lol
sorry bout that.
but yeah
drifttttt

dmcc pro am has potential as I see it only problem is a location to host it near locally so spectators can come out to watch (like airport, empty big lot).

only thing amature drivers should understand if there is a pro-am is “TRACK TIME” and how little of track time you get. i’m pretty sure spectators wouldn’t want to pay and see practise runs. alot of people I knew that drift didnt compete in dmcc 2008 cuz of lack of track time. you can find track time at local track events at shannonville or wherever. If you want to have a serious pro am the drivers have to be serious too to make it work. your not entering the pro am to learn new drift techniques but to give a show of how amazing drifting can be to spectators.

This is my pro and cons on dmcc pro am for 2007 and 2008 as I’ve been to both events and had a blast attending them.

2007 dmcc pro am-
Pros:
-there were like atleast 40 cars signed up (thats a lot which is a good thing in terms of support)
-track layout was an easy layout that year and nothing was really changed from pro and pro am track lay out except an optional transition pylon for the lower power cars (which is good also)
-was good exposure and desensitizing the amature drivers of a big event like dmcc and what to expect in the comming years
-pits were indoor which was awsome and cool when you roll in and out to the track
-annoucer was the same as pro series driver

cons:

  • NO TANDEM WAS ALLOWED!! that was a big bummer
    -top 4 moved on the next day when the pro comp happened

2008 dmcc pro am
Pros:
-track layout was more technical then last year (i liked this layout better then last layout
-TANDEM ELEMINATION!! that was my fav part of the pro am
-pits near the pros
-annoucer was the same as pro serie driver

Cons:
-biggest con was the course layout as they reduced the speed by ALOT and the turn that actually requires skills they took out. I’m pretty sure that at the end of the day if you kept the old track layout you can tell which amature drivers would be skilled enough to drift w/ the pros.
-My first and only attempt on the pro layout was freaking fun even tho I went in blindly and held back since I didnt know what the layout was like really but almost had it that first try and was eager to try it agian then got robbed when you fully see the pro driver practise run same results
-Time for pro am competition, most of my friends didnt know when it started so they came when the flyer said it started which was 2pm i think and was the only reason why they actually made it to the event.
-friday-sat scedual (I skipped work to make the event on friday lol)

dmcc pro-am event are probably one of my more favorite drift days since its something out of the ordinary drift day which I would hate to see go so lets keep this alive.

even tho pro series does cost a lot of money to be in and an average joe like many of us can’t afford it we have something still to look forward to which is the pro-am till an opportunity arises to hit pro.

i’m still on the fence if I should start looking/preping for a mild drift set up car or just save my money. If theres only going to be drift practise i’ll just go in my gf’s s14 or something since it just to get the craving out and I dont see a point in investing a bit more money into serious setup if its just practise days.

^^ You touched on a good point. I think most people seem to be missing the key thing here… We’re talking about pro-am competition, not practice. People who go to these events shouldnt be expecting to get hours of track time. They should expect to get a bit of warm-up, and then a few runs to do everything they can. Complaints about lack of track time at a competition are goofy. Your track time is dependant on your skill.

One of the major problems with running any kind of pro-am series is the money. Nobody want’s to invest and lose money. Unlike the professional series, a pro-am series requires somebody to come forward, and spend money on renting tracks and organizing the events; hoping, that in the end, enough amateurs will come each of the said days and pay for the event so that the organizer can break even.

Drift ops, for the last year, tried to do that, they tried, on their own account to start a pro-am series and hoping people would show up to every event. CSCS did too, but unlike DRIFT-OPS, CSCS does it as a part of an already organized event, so the investment costs are much less.

If everyone who wanted to drift in pro-am, came forward, and said, here is 500$ for the season, I am in. And 20 people like that came forward, then, someone out there, kind enough willing to put their time into it and hence would be able to successfully organize a series without thinking they wasted their time and money and fuck this sport.

There is alot of talent out there. Being able to run in a professional series requires multiple factors, the most obvious of which is skill, and money. However, there are multiple factors people are missing. Commitment - you must be able to commit to a season, a driver is asked prior to entry whether they can commit to making X many events out of the season in order to run the series, there is no ‘i feel like coming out’ thinking involved. Operational - you must be able to continuously maintain a team of people and a running competition vehicle meeting safety standards to compete. If you blow a motor a week prior to the event, you must be able to take time off work, get your shit together, and leave enough time to travel.

I believe that everyone out there, just like me, who want’s to give it a shot at the professional scene, get your shit together, and try it out. And if you can’t make it to the series because you can’t satisfy one of those factors, well then you can’t run a professional series. I am not the best driver out there but I was good with a ka, I was good with an sr, an upgraded SR. But to be honest, hopping into a car that meets DMCC/Formula D standards, no matter how good you are, going from an amateur-series to a pro series is like night in day, not only in terms of skill, but in terms of the pace of the competition, demand, pressure, and everything else. Yes, everyone who complains about track time at competitions needs to suck it up, you hardly get practice runs, and when its your turn you have to run it all you’ve got.

I hope there is a pro-am series for everyone to compete in this year, so that Ontario’s talent can keep growing and more talented drivers have a chance to discover their hidden talents. I also support the idea of amateurs running together with the pro’s, that way they can learn and get ready for the pro series if they are planning to go into it. As well, an open-lapping drifting events such as the ones Peter and Driftops help at the end of last year are essentially fundamental for amateurs running together with the pros, that way there is a significant amount of time to keep lapping and establishing your skills through concrete repetition.

So my two cents, is that if everyone wants there to be a well-organized pro-am series in Ontario, everyone should get together and see if they are ready to commit, because why should someone like Kendrick front his own finances on events he’s not even sure that people can commit to. If you are complaining about a pro-am series, then make sure you that if you want to compete, that you can commit.

^^^^^ very well said.

^^ so true

Yeah very well said Vlad, I agree with the comitment part thats something i said to myself when i started the season in 08 i had no idea how well ide do or if ide come last in each event.My goal was to come out to every event and be commited to the sport to do the best i can. I dont think evenyone takes it as serious as that,espically at an amature level…some people are just coming out to slide around. i think there is a gap in the amature croud.of people trying to go pro and people out there just for fun,so that makes it hard to organise a pro am too like your saying.a huge part.

also people like street concepts comng out to that one event at Drift ops and then dissopearing after 1 time coming to the track…what was the story ever with that ? we were promices a points ladder and prizes…yet…nothing happend with that.

About Sunset speedway this summer i went to a few spectator races and started to drift after the racees were over… it was alot of fun and the croud loved it… so there is definetly a place for it at those tracks but they were mostly cheering to see an accident…nascar fans…lol but the question for the drivers when we go there in amature is do people really want to drift close to walls on banked tracks? i think alot of people wont want to. people starting out anyways,unless there is an infield to go on and off then it could work great.

ive got more to say about this stuff i just gotta think…

Its nice to see so much info and ideas floating arounds! It seems like we have enough committment in this thread alone. what’s the magic number of committed drivers needed to make this a worthly investment to anyone looking to set things up? I know of 5 drivers including myself that have been preparing and working hard to have a car ready for 09, and that is all under one roof lol.

So what has to happen? I know its been said by almost everyone who has posted in this thread but Im fully committed to a Pro-AM series in 09. Drifting is fun as hell but there comes at time when we should treat it like a buisness or a job if we are serious about stepping up to the big leagues.

P.S im down for paying for the season up front if there is question about commitment.

Cody
S1DC

yes the comittment has to be there.

Lucas you were saying about there being a gap in the amatures. i think with having a few oval tracks that we can play around on, it will seperate the guys that realy want to evolve in the sport from the guys that just want to slide around.

What in terms of comittment is needed? I realise money, but what else can the average guy like myself do to help out. Anyone who is good, or just plain loves drifting is looking to go pro, but we need amature series to hone our skills and get comfortable with the many variables of drifting. It would be sad to see amature drifting left in the dust, especially after all the time and money alot of guys are putting into their cars to compete.

so kendrick would you want to do that?
commited drivers give in a X amount for the season. at the begining of the season.
if your going to drift then it shouldnt matter if u have to pay it up front or not. if ur thinking oh i have to do this/i have work/ i wont make it.
then your not commited to the cause. and this is why we are where we stand now in the drifiting community.

for commitment level, its like Vlad said, yes it is money but thats no the most important thing. its the dedication to make it to every event. i feel sorry for the organizers when they trough a track day, its like a crap shot to see how many people are going to show up, for what ever reasons.

Cody i think for the people that drifting is there life, they know what they have to do they just need a place to do it. ya it may not be 30 guys but for the guys that realy want to srive for it will have the chance. There is a huge difference when you race in DMCC. and your right skills always need honing, doesnt matter what skill level you are at.

I know we have alot of support right here, but we need to come together and make some sence of all this.

I am trying to contact members from S1DC, Drift Posse, Drift1

Justin