newman
December 30, 2008, 6:51am
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bing:
No it is not trashy, it’s opportunist and a perfect consequence of modern politics. There is limited or no accountability, transparency, honesty or integrity in goverment and in big business so why should regular people feel compelled to behave that way when interacting with government or big business?
They shouldnt; give them exactly what they give you. Take their money when ever you can.
The reason they did this is because there is a precedent in the automotive industry where even though some people will ‘cheat’ the system, by and larger the populus has bought into the whole American values bullshit, and it is bullshit, and they will act modestly with respect to this promotion.
In Lee Iaccocca’s bio he talked about when he introduced the over night test drive with Chrysler i think. They let people test drive the car and take it home with them and bring it back if they didnt want it.
Alot of the people in the boardroom thought it was a terrible idea and opened them up to alot of risk. However, Lee reported that even though there was some exposure and that some people did do wrong by the program, by and large it was a great success.
No question that Dodge has accounted for a loss provision in their program budget. The people who put this program together may very well gauge its success by the number of $50 rebates given. It IS a marketing program and even if you dont test drive the car they still got a strong Dodge hit on you and put it top of mind.
I wont take the money because i dont have the time to do it, but i most certainly WOULD do it and would not feel trashy about it and would also not even consider any criticism that anyone would lay upon me for taking the $50.
In fact, i would say that you are naive to not take it for a number of reasons and that you NOT taking it will have an immaterial affect on Dodge anyways. The only reason you wont take it is to make yourself feel noble in a world where nobility is obsolete, or at least a weakness.
Yeah, but the point is that you’re not obeying the promotion. If every person in the country went and test drove the truck and got their 50 bucks and NO ONE bought it, then fine, it’s Dodge’s fault. Exploiting an internet back door and never test driving it is not part of dodge’s plan, and apparently only a legal “get-around” for certain states.
Eazy716
December 30, 2008, 6:51am
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boardjnky4:
problem is, for every one of “you” out there(hard working americans that are pissed off), there are probably 20 ASSHOLES(poor people) who spend their entire lives looking for shit like this to exploit.
There are 2 people in this situation, hard working people who want their mother fucking tax money back, and poor people who want everything for nothing.
Us hard workers are seriously out-numbered. I would also rather be part of the solution, rather than part of the problem.
so bitching about it on a forum is part of the solution? :gotme:
Joe
December 30, 2008, 6:51am
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JayS:
Yeah, the problem is, my wife and I are those people who work hard. We put ourselves through college, work 40+ hours a week, and put a little less than we’d like away for retirement because other bills have to come first. We sit here and watch the state raise our taxes while at the same time increasing welfare benefits, HEAP, medicaid, healthy NY and a host of other programs that benefit the people that haven’t worked hard to get where they are.
Then we watch the federal government throw money at the banks who got into trouble making some of the dumbest investment moves anyone could imagine (subprime mortgage trading).
We watch the federal government throw money at GM, even after the union who’s retirement and insurance costs put GM in danger of bankrupcy, refuses to take a $2-$3/hr pay cut as part of the bailout.
So yeah, I’m sorry, but if getting a free $50 when the country is fucking the hard working citizens like they are is greedy, sign me up on the greed roster.
They’re only throwing money at the problem if the companies go under. If they manage to survive, they have to pay back the loans as their senior debt, with substantial interest. So really, you’re just screwing yourself, and everyone else, at a micro level.
no
IMO, not taking the $50 is.
On the plus side, the 16 of you who wont be getting your $800 assures that the 4 of us will get our $200
newman:
um… that was my point.
Wait what? So not take the $50 for doing something I would have willingly done at a later date?
Fry
December 30, 2008, 6:53am
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My biggest problem with this whole thing is that this is supposed to be a car forum and you yambags are excited to find a way to get $50 without having to drive a big scary noisy powerful truck. :gay2:
newman
December 30, 2008, 6:54am
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Freek:
while i agree where is the line?
the 50 dollar debit card is more blatant but, when is it to much?
where is the line when it’s not stealing anymore? Who decides that?
What i’m getting at is as time goes on morality is turning more gray all the time. Because everyone is fucking everyone else over, if you’re not fucking someone else over you’ll be the fucked one.
I am not fucking over my company. They monitor my internet usage, they know what’s up. I also PRODUCE revenue generating products monthly that far outweigh my entire yearly salary.
Paulo
December 30, 2008, 7:00am
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Test driving and getting the $50 while never planning on getting the car, ok.
Internet back door, no test drive, no exposure to what they have to offer, not ok.
That should sum up this thread. Just go and test drive the damn car if you need $50 that bad. Hell, if $50 will make that much of a difference in your life, then you probably have the time to spare.
theblue
December 30, 2008, 7:00am
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my opinion is that it’s trashy, but I gain pleasure from punishing a bad business model…
Paulo:
Test driving and getting the $50 while never planning on getting the car, ok.
Internet back door, no test drive, no exposure to what they have to offer, not ok.
That should sum up this thread. Just go and test drive the damn car if you need $50 that bad. Hell, if $50 will make that much of a difference in your life, then you probably have the time to spare.
Thats a great idea. I will go test drive the truck. Give them different information and get $100. Genius.
Fry
December 30, 2008, 7:02am
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It’s my new word, now that I learned that it’s actually a word. A funny one too.
bing
December 30, 2008, 7:05am
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JayS:
Yeah, the problem is, my wife and I are those people who work hard. We put ourselves through college, work 40+ hours a week, and put a little less than we’d like away for retirement because other bills have to come first. We sit here and watch the state raise our taxes while at the same time increasing welfare benefits, HEAP, medicaid, healthy NY and a host of other programs that benefit the people that haven’t worked hard to get where they are.
Then we watch the federal government throw money at the banks who got into trouble making some of the dumbest investment moves anyone could imagine (subprime mortgage trading).
We watch the federal government throw money at GM, even after the union who’s retirement and insurance costs put GM in danger of bankrupcy, refuses to take a $2-$3/hr pay cut as part of the bailout.
So yeah, I’m sorry, but if getting a free $50 when the country is fucking the hard working citizens like they are is greedy, sign me up on the greed roster.
this is exactly what i alluded to in my comment on this issue.
is living honestly the goal or the process?
tpgsr
December 30, 2008, 7:14am
57
I just took a minute to look at the link, and you are still giving Dodge a piece of what they want. You are giving them you e-mail, phone, and address. They will use some or all of those resources to continue to market the shit out of their products to you.
Is that info worth $50 to them… Probably not, but I bet that they knew something like this would happen, and realized the value of contact information.
So should we all just throw in the towel on doing the right thing? If you can’t beat em, join em, right?
If 2 wrongs do not make a right, then maybe 3 or 4 or 2,000,000 do?
newman
December 30, 2008, 7:22am
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tpgsr:
I just took a minute to look at the link, and you are still giving Dodge a piece of what they want. You are giving them you e-mail, phone, and address. They will use some or all of those resources to continue to market the shit out of their products to you.
Is that info worth $50 to them… Probably not, but I bet that they knew something like this would happen, and realized the value of contact information.
And how many people are giving them their legit contact information?
how else would their check get delivered?
