Lazylaser's 97 talon

I’ll update this.
I put the car back together.
Here is how I fixed the CV boot, it was way easier than I thought it would be.


I unbolted the upper control arm. Cut the old boot in two then Tugged until the rest of the CV came free.

I crawled under the car then I used the snap ring pliers to separate the cv from the axle.

This is the bad part the new autozone boot was not really OEM style for our cars. So I cut what was left off of the old boot, and used rtv to provide a seal then combined them to make what I needed.

Filled it with the grease they gave me, and re attached the cv, reinstall was just the opposite of removal.

After an hour long drive no grease leaked out so, I’m going to guess all went well with this fix.

Got the new brakes on, I’ve always been a fan of hawk pads, these are DBA slotted rotors.

After those were done… I decided to have a little fun with an old 3” downpipe.

I had to do something until I could get the s.s. o2 housing to bolt up to the s.s. exhaust. (eBay exhaust flange angles are nothing to write home about)

Busting out my favorite tool the sawzall.

Now its about the right size.

There we go.

It was all I needed to be able to have in order to drive to my friend Jeff’s shop (maybe you have heard of him) so he could tig weld up the o2 housing and open dump tube off of the tial.

Who wants a video of it idling? I know I do !!!

[ame=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRwheiHJ5g0”]YouTube - Lazylasers dsm idle 272’s 2g awd talon[/ame]

Man if I had this lift all the time, I would have way more fun with cars, that’s for sure!
It’s kinda cool to see her up in the air while we were tweaking the exhaust.


(just noticed that you can see the yellow reflecting from the road sign that I used to make the fan shroud, lol.)

THANKS TO JEFF @ FIRST TRY http://www.1st-try.com/ Great work as always!!

As fun as this is…I think I’m going to put the 14b back on so that I don’t break anything and focus more time on finding a job and chasing girls before I get too old. At least for the winter.

Chase girls with good credit

Hey i saw on talk a while back that you replaced one of your rear wheel bearings. Do you know if you are able to unbolt the bearing from the knuckle and pull the axle out of the rear diff and through the hole in the knuckle?

Yeah, if you have ABS make sure that the sensor is out of the way,(not sure if it needs to come all the way out) then you have to peal back the cv boot, remove the metal band at the big end of the boot. It should be able to squeeze through then once its poped out of the rear diff. If I remember correctly. Be sure not to damage the boot, because it will want to save it if possible.

I think this is the dsmtalk thread where I was messing with it.

DSm update:
The car needs some TLC, but I don’t have a garage at this time, I have two but one has a new kitchen that needs to be put in, and the other have my brothers MR2 in it.
Neither are going to be open to use anytime soon.

The cold weather took out the power steering pump; I’m still sourcing one of those at the moment.

I replaced the windshield wiper sprayer pump with a known good working one, I even heard it kick on however I’m still not getting juicer fluid to the front window. I don’t know I guess there is a kink in there somewhere; it hasn’t worked since I bought the shell, but now driving without it working is impossible in the snow.

The only thing I was really able to do with all this snow is put the winter tires on. Hankook ice bears still mounted on my old Laser meshies. I have 2g 5 spoke rims for winter but these were already mounted and I almost like them.

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And good thing I did …

Performance wise, I picked up a running spare 6 bolt motor from A DSMtalk member to have machined for my scat rods and wisco pistons while I still have my running 6 bolt motor in the car.

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And I also picked up a 90 OFH and lines from the same guy so that I can run an external oil cooler.

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I have this holset HX 35 and BEP t3 to dsm o2 turbine housing on their way to my house.

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The $50 14b, god bless it, from spoolinsteve will be a great turbo to break in a fresh build. Its lasted for 6 months to a year now.

ECMlinks V3 lite is also in my future plans for running Speed Density getting rid of the MAF totally, however that like everything else on the car is going to take a long time to come to fruition.

I really hope that my friends here at home will offer their help to me throughout the process of assembling the bottom end the right way. I don’t really have any more room to learn from my mistakes. This one has to be right the 1st time as there is no $ for a second time.]So any links, tips or heads up would be greatly appreciated.

11’s in the 1/4 are very possible this year. It would be nice to leave the 12’s in 09.

I’ll offer support through pittspeed !!
it’s still a dsm no love :slight_smile:

looking good ben good luck with it.

ss 02 housing ftl :frowning:

my dsm always problems with ss parts

awesome ben. I have a 90 OFH lol still havent moved it. I however think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I helped jason get a car going with V3 and it is fucking tits. Its like AEM have a illegitimate child with Link V2.

Other than some rust that I have plans to take car of and a broken passengerdoor handle, Things are good with the car. Still on the 14b and just daily driving it, but its summer and I want more from it.

Pulled DSMLINK V2.5 out boxed it up and sent it in for ECMLINK V3. I can’t wait to run SD! I’m Glad I took your advise Steve and got V3. After 1 min I already like it better than v2.5.
http://www.ecmtuning.com/

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Put the running cleaned up motor on a stand,

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And pulled the bottom end all the way apart. and even got a nice usable head out of it. thats another 1g “bolt on, turn key” head I have. And a brand new Oil pan, another set of ARP head studs, etc.

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That’s it so far, this was the pile that went up to DLK. Its done I have to go to DLK and pick it up, but They are out of their freaking minds with pricing now.
I can go to B&R for what these assholes are charging.

After that I gotta put the bottom end together and figure out wtf else I plan to have done this year.

v3 is win!!!

I have been building up my tool collection the best I can for this upcoming build.
2 new torque wrenches, foot lbs and inch lbs.
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These are the two awesome cleaners that I picked up; the 1st is just a regular parts cleaner that I’m running straight purple power through. The second is a heated sonic cleaner which I’m also running purple power in.
Parts cleaner:
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Ultrasonic cleaner:
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You can see on this oil pick up that the gold part or the mounting bracket is what was sticking out of the cleaner, It makes a solid line, or filth cut off point.
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The sonic cleaner did an awesome job on this pick up. It looks like a brand new one.
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Check out how clean it got these oil squirters, they turned out awesome. I washed them and blew them out with compressed air after the sonic cleaning and saved myself about a hundred dollars by cleaning up some low mileage ones and not overpaying for brand new.
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Now I asked Dsmtalk about what types of piston ring filers and rod bolt stretch gauges people were using I ended up with this ring filer, and squaring tool. I also have the rod bolt stretch gauge but haven’t brought it out yet. The squaring tool might just be garage bling, idk if I’ll even use it, as nobody I talk to used one before.
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I started to polish my turbo compressor housing, I’m going to give it a try. If I fail then I’ll just get it powder coated.
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My tires are toast, so I pulled them off. I have new tires but before I put the new ones on I’m going to have t70 powder coat the rims gloss black. For now its laser meshies and winter tires.
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Think these tires are done?
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Picked up the block and crank today, but that update is for another time.

754 dollars for machine work from DLK.

I was absolutely shocked when they called and left a message with the total due. I thought they made a mistake, or assembled my bottom end, but they didn’t.

They wouldn’t even cut me any slack when paying cash, and I just had another motor go through their shop 8 months ago and it needed more work and was under 600.

Block is back and ready to go.
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The Crank is back and ready to go, just one last cleaning in kerosene before she’s ready.
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It was hot tanked, honed, magnafluxed, polished crank, everything was zero balanced and then bored using a torque plate. It didn’t need decked or anything. Hopefully I don’t have to have any machine work done for a long time because that was darn costly. At least it only took about 1 week for them to get it back to me.

Std. size Acl race main and rod bearings should be here soon.

Got my main and rod bearings in today.

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In order to get the free shipping I had to spend a hundred bucks. So I donated to some breast cancer thing to bring my total up and got a t-shirt.

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These are the ACL STD sized bearing part numbers for a 6-bolt.

I have been working on another motor for the Talon. Not sure when it will go in the car, but I’m not worried about it.
It is just something I want to learn how to do while I have friends who are willing to help me.

I got the block on a stand cleaned the hell out of it with gallons of kerosene then a rag and compressed air,
even though the block was hot tanked at the machine shop, this cleaning before building is very important.
I was also told to use dawn dish soap, just a little on a lint free rag to go over the cross hatching of the cylinders to pull out any of the dirt that accumulated in there.
No pictures but you would be surprised what came out with the Dawn, defiantly don’t want that in there while the rings are breaking in.
After the dish soap, it got a light coat of oil to keep from rusting.

Next it was time to start checking the machine shops work,
DLK which is down the road from me used to do a lot of Slowboys work when they were still in PA.

It costs a lot less to catch a mistake now.

They used a torque plate to bore the cylinders. We used a Bore gauge to make sure that the right clearances would be there for the piston to wall and that all the cylinders were basically the same.

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I also used a feeler gauge to check piston to wall, I had a hard time because the piston skirts were “molly” coated from Wiseco. That’s where the borrowed bore gauge helped some.

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Everything seemed to match up, what the machine shop said they had done and what Wiseco recommends.

This was when I got set up to clean the crank. Grabbed some cardboard, some brushes the kerosene and got to work.

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It’s important to really get in the oil ports because of the way these cranks are drilled from the factory, they drill all the way through then weld a ball bearing in the end that they need to seal off.
Dirt, spun bearing pieces, ect. Everything loves to get wedged around the edges of the ball bearing and you can hardly get in there to clean them out.
If you ever pick one up and look at you’ll understand what I’m talking about.

Even though it was hot tanked, and stayed in plastic bag there was still a ton of filth that came out.

We were scrubbing the heck out of it, we attempted to push off a speck dirt…Only the dirt didn’t move…WTF. :eek:
Asmodeus and I freaked the “F” out, because it seemed there was an imperfection.

Can you see it? {and I’m not talking about where the rear main seal rides}

Well it was there, it had been there, and it was polished over.
I pulled apart another motor that I had, one of Shotts old ones that lost the piston rings but had a hundred miles on a freshly polished crank.
Shit.
That crank wasn’t 110% flawless due to rings getting in mashed the bearings.

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While I was still in freak out mode, five minutes from discovering it, I bought and paid for a brand new eagle crank…

When the crank arrived, I cleaned it up my normal way even though it was sealed 100% brand new.

There, perfect.

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Finally I took the 1st crank, the one that put me into panic mode, to 2 different machine shops aside from back to the shop that did the work,
and talked to engine builders who have many motors under their belt and they all said the same thing after inspecting it.

You should have used it.

Yeah that spot on one of the mains, they all guessed it was there from the factory, was polished and would be no different than something like say the oil passage,
they said it would have been no threat on the mains esp since it lines up with the ACL oil groove in there bearing.
And that as rare as these uncut good cranks are that I better hang onto it, especially being that there are already hundreds of dollars into it.

You live and learn I guess. :o Who knew.

At least with the eagle crank I have a few more lbs off of the rotating mass, and the box it came in said its rated for 1500hp, haha

When fitting the wristpin into the rod, it felt a little tight. The pin fit into the rod but it just felt too snug, holding the rod sideways with the pin inserted the pin would not want to drop out of the rod. The experienced engine builder lending a hand suggested that I have the rods opened up. So I took the rods back to the machine shop and they opened the rods up a half a thousandth.

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Now with the rods opened just a bit the wrist pin feels much better, it slides freely in the bushing but still does not have any play, if that makes sense.
While the rods were at the machine shop it was a good time to get the rings gapped.

So I Cleaned the blocks bore again with dawn, dried it off and did a light coat of WD-40 to keep from rusting.

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Then went ahead and calculated the ring gaps. White paper is for my Talon. : orange paper is for my brother’s mr2 engine build :
BTW my engine builder stopped me and said there is nothing mild about a DSMs, go with bigger gaps. Who cares if you have to re-ring in 50 thousand miles, it won’t do much good if the gaps are too tight because you won’t make it that far anyhow.
Basically its better error on the large side.

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Now this is where I used the summit ring squaring tool to get the rings squared in the block for getting the feeler gauges in the gaps. You could use piston to do this, but I guess this lessens the chances of dropping an expensive forged piston. It’s just garage bling really; I think you could do this with an old piston if you needed.

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Using a summit ring squaring tool vs. using a piston.

Once the rings are squared you can measure the gap, and file accordingly to get the correct gap obviously taking baby steps. There is a lot of back and forth between the block and the ring file.

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To get the correct gap I used summits tool.

The file, in use.

Once I was done I came up with these numbers. Where the 2nd rings were a little larger they came that way from out of the box, there was no filing done on those. And where the last ring is a little bigger we are probably going to move that to one of the hotter cylinders.

It was time to start again on the block. Having already re-taped the mains before any of the machining or hot tanking, all I had to do was make sure that the holes were totally free of any fluid that would keep the ARP studs from seating all the way and used lint free rags to suck up anything in the holes.

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I installed the ARP rod studs with blue loctite on the block side; I used an allen on a ratchet to hand snug the studs. I let them sit like this for twenty four hours allowing the loctite to set up, I’m not worried about having the full torque on the stud while doing this because the final torque on the nut will stretch only along the vertical axis of the stud. The picture is while molly lube is on studs but is for illustration of how I left them set up:

Then placed the main caps on the block and got my washers, molly lube, and nuts set up so I could seat the nuts properly to the individual stud.
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There will be three times with full torque on the mains. Once with the caps on to cut/seat, once to check the clearances with plastigauge and then the final time were the bearings and crank stays in place. The reason for this is to help cut the nut for the thread of the stud, making sure that the final torque is accurately reached. So, I got a piece of paper to keep track of the where the nuts came from and where they go when I’m taking on and off.

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Just like head studs you must bring them up to the final torque in stages. The engine builder I was with told me three stages. IIRC, I think we used twenty, thirty five then fifty. Keep in mind you want a decent gap to your second target and your final torque so that the nut has to turn, for instance you don’t want a second torque value of forty five if your final is fifty. That’s too close to the final value and won’t allow the nut to spin; that was according to him. He has many motors under his belt; his own collection of built dsm’s and has had formal training in engine building.

I did wonder about the actual torque value. Take a look at these two manuals, exactly the same except for this. Feel free to chime in. Is it eighteen plus ninety degrees, or forty-seven to fifty-one? Notice the difference in the two books.

It was time to check the oil clearances; I put the bearings in dry.

Then carefully placed the crank on the bearings making sure it didn’t rotate, so that I could place the plastigauge on top of the crank.

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Cranked the caps down the whole way in the three stages, with molly lube.

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Pulled the caps to check clearances.

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They all checked out well.

So now it’s time to put the crank in with healthy coat of assembly lube on the bearings, before cranking it down that final time, again going from 20 to 35 then 50ft/lbs.

Next are rods and pistons

nice work ben.

Awesome

Thanks guys:
I ment to say that oil squirters and BSE are next. I haven’t got to either of those yet, but I did get further on my wheels with some help from T-70.

After weeks, maybe months, of sitting in a lawn chair getting covered in chemicals stripping off the old epoxy primer, I finnally got them clean enough to powdercoat.
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Gosh did this take a long time to do.

While I was cleaning up the wheels I shaved all the dumb writing and branding on the wheels. I only left one word on each wheel, and that was lightwheel.

I will never do this again, from here on out I will pay to have someone like JMF strip these for me. I had way too much time into these.
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I loaded up my wheels and headed over to Kurts, he was kind enough to take time out of his day to do my wheels. While I was waiting for these to bake, Kurt made me something pretty “baller”. For those that just know him as the moderator with the 9 second car, or one of the top 5 quickest/fastest ecmlink powered cars, he is also into all kinds of photography.

Anyways, he printed an HDR photo he took of my car onto canvas,
it looks like someone did an oil painting of my Talon.
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I mean how cool is that?!
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I’m very happy with how the wheels turned out!
Right after getting them powder coated I was planning on running them up to get mounted and balanced but didn’t realize that it would be difficult to find steel valve stems.

NHRA rules, at the e.t. level I’m going to be at require steel valve stems in all wheels.
It took me awhile but I found these bad boys; I wish I had known about these when I used to go off-roading.
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With the all steel valve stems I was able to take up my set of brand new bf goodrich g-force T/A kdw 2’s I got from discount tire direct, that I had been sitting on to be mounted on my freshly powder coated rims. I always use these same 205/50/17 BFg’s and love them.

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This is how I picked them up from the shop.

They said that weights on the inside and outside lip of the wheels are better than weights on the inside of the rim that people often have done on good looking wheels. I’ll go for performance over looks and the weights on the lip are less expensive so that’s helpful too.

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They are now on the car, the center caps are painted a matching gloss black and re-installed; the weights have also been hit with a gloss black touch up brush.

looks good. honeslty i would have been pissed if they put weight on outside of wheel. in fact a lto of factory wheels now don’t have a lip to even mount a weigfht. with fresh clean wheels the weights would have stuck easily. FYI if you need them mounted next time i can take care of it.