Metal Failure

[quote=“Carnut,post:15,topic:36050"”]

You know, for something educational about cars. There was alot less interest in this than I expected. Hmmm, that says alot for this community.

Now lets all go vote on whether or not we are gonna get married.

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Job security for you :tup:

[quote=“psphinx81,post:18,topic:36050"”]

when my shit blows, i wont have to worry about bearings because ill be shooting a rod through the block :carnut:

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go big or go home.

wow devin, your handwriting is actually better than your typing

[quote=“Carnut,post:15,topic:36050"”]

You know, for something educational about cars. There was alot less interest in this than I expected. Hmmm, that says alot for this community.

Now lets all go vote on whether or not we are gonna get married.

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Worn engine bearings aren’t rocket science, what did you expect from this thread. 97% of the people on this board have probably never built an engine or even know what those parts pictured are

[quote=“J&J,post:24,topic:36050"”]

Worn engine bearings aren’t rocket science, what did you expect from this thread. 97% of the people on this board have probably never built an engine or even know what those parts pictured are

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sad but true.

Well if we’re gonna have show and tell…

http://www.mturck.com/944/134_3491.jpg
Clearly the bearing was nearly gone when I bought the car as that happened in the first week of ownership.

[quote=“MPD47,post:26,topic:36050"”]

Well if we’re gonna have show and tell…


Clearly the bearing was nearly gone when I bought the car as that happened in the first week of ownership.

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That damage could have occoured from 1 second of oil starvation and then from there, there is no turning back it progressively gets worse. There is not such thing as a bearing that was going bad. It only takes enough time for the oil film to disappear (even for a second) to damage the babbit.

Wayne, I’m not saying you were doing anything wrong…this is just what others were telling me. I just try to assess the damage :slight_smile: No worries kid your good :slight_smile:

haha alright im stoping bye tomrrrow to empty my bank account opn parts!

[quote=“Carnut,post:27,topic:36050"”]

That damage could have occoured from 1 second of oil starvation and then from there, there is no turning back it progressively gets worse. There is not such thing as a bearing that was going bad. It only takes enough time for the oil film to disappear (even for a second) to damage the babbit.

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And in a car that had a shitty PO who didnt maintain it, and is known for #2 starvation issues? I take care of my shit (Drive it hard, sure, but I maintain it), and I can assure you the deterioration of that bearing started long before I had the car. :wink:

[quote=“Zer0DazE,post:2,topic:36050"”]

i like to toss metal shaving in with my oil. its like extrude honing all your oil passages.

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I just keep loose change in my oil pan, that way I always know where it is.

[quote=“MPD47,post:29,topic:36050"”]

And in a car that had a shitty PO who didnt maintain it, and is known for #2 starvation issues? I take care of my shit (Drive it hard, sure, but I maintain it), and I can assure you the deterioration of that bearing started long before I had the car. :wink:

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Im not saying you fucked it up. All I’m saying is that once a bearing is damaged it usually is a very short time to failure.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1102/1435991186_bd379ec72a.jpg

so wait. your saying spinning your tires in dirt is bad for your engine?

good thing i dont have power to do that yet. then.

I had similar problems with an OLD ATV that the air filter bounced off on a Mx track.

The crank bearings came out the exaust. along with most of the piston.

[quote=“MXS,post:30,topic:36050"”]

I just keep loose change in my oil pan, that way I always know where it is.

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nice.:rofl:

I’ll play too. I don’t have the failure pics on the net, but my '95 SHO spun the #5 rod and killed the motor (thanks, PO :mad:)

These were from the replacement engine that I fixed up. RJ-92 and LXTASY should remember that motor.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/401280/fullsize/used-rb-l-bottom-r-top.jpg

The engine had @ 120K on it, and the wear signs are obvious.

The failed bearing was damn near circular, and looked like taffy. :lol: Nothing like “panning for gold,” when you drop the oil pan and strain through pantyhose to discover nice metal flakes - oily copper :bloated:

Those wear marks are pretty normal for something with mileage on it.

Bearings do wear over time. The one pictured in MPD47s post is a failure that rapidly progressed to non-existance :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote=“Carnut”"]

Here is a perfect example of what happens when you have metal failure in an engine. Those pieces of material (bearing in this case) travel in suspension in the engine oil being distributed everywhere. Metal suspended in a fluid tends to be abrasive and in time it can damage other parts that depend on oil for lubrication. Oils job is to lubricate, clean, cushion and carry heat away. The oil in this engine can do none of these properly when contaminated with a foreign material such as a rod bearing.

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What role does the oil filter have in all this? Are these shavings/particles simply too small to be stopped by the filter?

[quote=“Matt Danger,post:36,topic:36050"”]

What role does the oil filter have in all this? Are these shavings/particles simply too small to be stopped by the filter?

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Sometimes yes. The rest of the engine seems to be fairly clean, the turbo is going to have some oil in it as it takes it’s oil supply pre-filter.

The crankshaft is fed from oil passaages in the crank so when a bearing fails it usually takes that trashed material and follows the passages.

nice pics… I hate to complain but there needs to be a internet photography course about “in focus close up picture taking” :wink:

failure quickly occurs as well when fuel dilutes the oil… like to rich of a calibration when breaking in an engine.

i had one failure from a wrong TPS on a junkyard throttlebody. told the ecm the car was at wot when it was at idle. fresh, unseated rings and the oil was quickly diluted with gas. bearings went down to the copper pretty quick.

one thing to check too if youve had some bearing failure is the shape big end of the rod. it can quickly go out of round from the banging. cant always just pop in new bearings and go.

Brian