Most over-rated car and most under-rated car??

the skyline has a hemi in it…lol

(hemispherical-topped combustion chambers)

it really does.

overrated… EVERY NEW CAR!!! the warranty only covers things that shouldnt break anyways.

underrated… teh SR20DET, jay and i had this convo the other day. thing will run easy 13’s and will do 7 hours of highway before and after a drift event and get 600km’s to a tank while doing it. and it’ll do this as often as you want.

E30 M3 is underrated, only real car guys double-take at it because they see beyond the marketing BS and know it is the best M3 ever.

Lambo’s are UNDERRATED because even though it comes with tons of hype it’ll still get you more pussy that you think it will…lol

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Any cavalier with the 2.3

Followed closely by the 2.4, and 2.2 Ecotec.

:word: by far the best M3

Overrated - Supra, Skyline, NSX

Underrated - foxbodies

Overrated - Mustangs (EVERY mustang owner I see revs at me whether it’s a v6 or old 5.0)
WRX (unless you get it used, you should buy an STi, or better yet an Evo, for the price of one new)
Supras are overrated in price only. They are amazing cars, but that TT 6-spd with your bomber body kit and five other mods isn’t worth 40k.

Underrated
SRT-4 :cheap and easy to make drag fast (if you can get traction)
DSMs: Dirt cheap to make fast, AWD

i dont understand how you can overrate a skyline or a supra?

these cars have the potential for obsurd horsepower (700 - 1100 wrhp) while still being daily driveable and luxurious.

“pffff, you think too much of the supra, it can only handle 1000+ hp on the stock block and even though it is more than a decade old and its styling is still as beautiful today as it was then it still is nothing compared to the (insert domestic car) of the same generation”

^^^ how ridiculous does that sound?

as for costs, that is case specific, in japan a supra or skyline is cheaper than a corvette.

ummmm. if the 1951 hemi was a real hemi, if the 1966 street hemi was a real hemi, if the 1969 race hemi was a real hemi, the 5.7 and 6.1L “new” hemis are indeed, a hemi. hemispherical combustion chambers = hemi. and yeah, a lot of other car companies have picked up on this design attribute - difference is, they don’t own copyrights/history to/of the name. I’d use the shit out of a term with so much heritage too, especially in the nostalgic 2000’s.

interesting fact: ye olde street hemi of yore is likely physically underrated. in the mid-sixties the 426 was dynoed (engine dyno, not chassis) and was found to produce 467 bhp @ 6000 rpm. The factory rated them at 425 bhp @ 6000 rpm, using the old gross rating system.

the SRT engineers got an opportunity to test out the SRT-8 6.1L hemi on an engine dyno. it produced… 467 bhp @ 6000 rpm. full circle? on unleaded gas, with DoD tech to get near 29 mpg. not. too. shabby.

okay, to really say what cars are under/over rated, you really have to think what the car was designed to do. For me to come from a rally background and say “f-bodies suck, they can’t turn”, or from a drag history to speak of “shitty NSXs, they don’t trap well”, would be the same for me to say, “makita’s line of 18v cordless drills blow, they can’t make a decent ham & cheese. and they always leave off the damn honey mustard.” am I right or wrong here?

that said, '03-‘04 Cobras are underrated, they dyno close to their advertised power. Miata’s are underrated because of their "chick car’ stigma, they are very pure driver’s cars. Chargers are underrated. anyone that bitches about 4 doors on it doesn’t obviously remember the 110 horse four-banger FWD embarrassments of the eighties. that was a travesty.

I think GTO’s are underpriced. 400 horse for just over 30k?

cliffs: drills make poor sandwich makers.

http://www.dodgeboy.net/news/57hemi/images/hemi_cutaway.jpg

5.7L hemihead.

Super is overrated? lol

Overrated : The VW and Audi 1.8T motor

There’s power to be had, but not unless you plan on spending a small fortune, and even after that, you’re still kinda slow…

Underrated : Acura Integra Type R

One of the nastiest cars to ever come out of Honda Co. A quick and nimble (very) car that revs to the sky and handles amazingly, with one of the most perfect suspension to power setups for any FF car, actually one of the best setups in any car period.

Overrated : The newer Monte Carlo SS

What a freakin’ disgrace to the name Monte Carlo. First they come out with an FWD heavy ass underpowered version of the car. Then they offered it in “SS” form, with a ooo* NA 3800!!! Wow, how could you badge a 3500lbs car with hardly 200HP an SS!!! At least recently, they shoved the Supercharged motor in there, but wow…
Like the Malibu, and Impala… the Monte Carlo name is just getting slapped on any run of the mill ho-hum vehicle. At least Dodge offers their new line of “returned name” cars with a very respectable V8, oh, and did I forget to mention RWD?

Underrated : VW Golf R32

In a world where more power and faster = gooder, the VW R32 is a severely underpowered beast when compared to it’s competitors like the EVO and STi. But when you sit inside one, and actually drive one… you’ll find that it may not be as fast or handle as well, but it does just fine the way it is. The NA power is obviously quite different from a Turbo, with no lag and plenty of torque throughout the powerband. The interior is top notch. Perfect finish, very pleasing to the eye and touch! The seats are also very supportive and feel (and probably are) VERY expensive. The stopping power is there besides the heavy curb weight (~3400) due to it’s massive brakes. And the best yet : it cruises comfortably anywhere…

Despite falling short on some performance numbers, the R32 is a wonderful smaller car with plenty more to offer than JUST performance. That and its resale value is rediculous…

R32 is overpriced.

Yeah, but when you go to sell it, you get a lot of it back.

For example :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volkswagen-Golf-R32-3-2L-AWD-04-2DR-6-SPEED-VW-V6-CD-SPORT-LEATHER-POWER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ15292QQitemZ4567515231QQrdZ1

A used R32… STILL NETS WHAT IT SOLD FOR!! lol wtf

its only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
so it is the “worth” what it originally sold for?
its a vw, to me its not worth 2 squirts of piss, but to someone else… apparently its worth more.

True - like my car - isn’t worth squat on the books - Worth like 7K to some people right now…

most imports atleast use a different head that is better than the hemi-head…way more efficinet…i cant think of the name…i am sure someone knows what i am talking about…for also had a HEMI, ovehead cam engine in the Galaxie 500s in the 60s but they were outlawed for track use cause they dominated…much like dodge’s hemi was eventually was…but thats a side note

imports have great heads, 4 valves, vtec (and the like) all make great power…

I have seen pentroof and wedgehead designs, but these are inferior to the hemihead IIRC because of it’s superior swirling characteristics, no nooks and crannies to get hung up on. wasn’t there a doublebubble design as well?

if the import car manufacturers had some catchy name for a clever design, I’m sure their marketing departments would catch on and it would be on the tongue of every import-minded car fanatic from boston to budapest. vtec springs to mind - how many cars nowadays have variable valve timing, but it doesn’t get the attention/recognition of VTEC y0!!!11!

how about “the beauty of all-wheel drive”? “Sport Activity Vehicle”? (that one makes me chuckle) etc. marketing ploys, but mostly good ones.

can’t blame them one bit for wringing that for all it’s worth and then some. 'tis how legends are made.

I know what you’re saying though, I’m pretty sure I have a japanese hemi. in a ford too. :lol:

gotta love yamaha powered fords…and mazda powered fords too (Escort GT roxors)

I will throw in a few more cents of my thoughts…

under rated:

  • dodge omni that came turbo

under priced:

over rated and over priced:

  • that benz hatch that comes SC’d

Just a couple comments on some of the mentioned cars.

Anyone called the boxer overrated never rode with yeohbaby. That cars braking system alone is worth talking about. Its center of gravity is stupid low, and handles like a dream… the problem is that 99% of the people driving them dont know this, and dont care, and will never experience that car the way its meant to be experienced.

E30 M3, awesome car, but the engine might of well been a race only engine, they are notoriously expensive and tough to maintain, they blow up all the time, but they are an amazing powerplant for many different reasons nonetheless. The rear suspension could have used some updating, but otherwise, one heck of a little drivers car.

WRX, This car is overrated in the sense that most people talk it up or like it for all the wrong reasons. This car is not a car that is going to be a street killer or a crazy track car or anything else out of the box. Its a car, (with the exception of the gearbox) that can take a SHITLOAD of abuse and keep on ticking. Throw an RA gearbox, and a Skidplate, and a pipe on a wrx and go beat the hell out of it… it will take most of the abuse anyone here would put it through and more. Mike (innovative) and myself are proof of this. My car was an SM winning auto-x car, a Rally Cross winning car, trapped over 104 in the 1/4mile, and survived one of the craziest off road TSD’s, and really had no problems minus the box (which never really broke). Mikes car did about the same, add in 5 feet of air once in awhile and i believe he did bend one strut, once… as well as the gearbox, obviously.

then why did manufacturers scrap the hemi heads they were using in favor of the pent roof design along with tapered non symmetrical ports?