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Re: farmer & 1911
Couldn’t care less what you buy really, the rebuttals and arguments were put foreward… what YOU buy is purely up to you… but to make it sound like some sort of ’ throwing of the gauntlet’ is childish in the extreme…
cracka u best not be tlking to me , ill smack the lips off ya 
you’re so cute when your angry… :mamoru:
ALL OF THE PART NUMBERS ENDING IN 10-12 ARE 3/4" ROD ENDS
I AM USING 5/8" ROD ENDS… WHICH DO NOT END IN 10-12 PART NUMBERS
is that clear enough?
you are comparing larger rod ends to the rod ends i am using and claiming that mine are inferior…DUUHHH they are one size smaller…
ALSO… the 5/8" rod end that i use that DOES NOT end in 10-12 has the same load rating as the one you have posted a comparison of that is 3/4" inches anyways… OMGHI2U (the aluminum rod ends)
I also disagree with Hector that valid points have bene made by both sides… ian has not made any valid points except for stating obvious things like aluminum < chromoly in certain applications or under certian conditions. Everyone already knew that.
then Ian also said that:
i infer that to mean that i shouldnot be using chromoly OR aluminum… maybe we should make it about of bullshit, or dreams perhaps? is that what you made that wicked engine damper out of?
i’d like Bob to come back into this arguement too to help Ian out since he had his back so hard in the admin section…
here is an example of his arguements
firstly in response to the porsche arms
i do see Porsches in the winter actually, and the point was that the aluminum was successfully being employed on those parts. It was ian’s initial concern that aluminum would succumb to the shear force and just pull right out. so find me stories of people owning porsches with control arm related deaths or accidents.
Hiding behind that screen again…[/quote]
apparently it is not okay to base a product on other successful products. if it isnt a viable starting point to take good products and put better stuff into it to make it better than what is?
now it comes down to how often you maintain your arms and how good a driver you are… perhaps i will develop driving tests for all potential buyers.
and
EXACTLY!!!
by making me point out over and over again how the materials and sourced inputs that i am provided are superior to what is available on the market you guys are only strengthening my vantage.
Ian, Bob, you both know damn well that these are up to par and even beyond other market offerings… you know it…
these are two examples of serious tuners who are putting valid research into these arms. When you do put that kind of effort into your purchases you will take note of the components that come together to form the over all product offering.
It is clear that i am using higher end components with betterspecs that other products in the industry.
Bob and Ian have both failed to provide examples of better products…
that begs the question, what are they comparing it to?
again, the hopes and dreams thing comes along again because i dont see any one bragging about their BAS torque dampers or fancy engineering school project.
3/4 -13
AMR10-12 19300lb
XPMR10-12 40,572lb
same thread pitch, same sizing.
step down to 5/8 -16
AMR10 8,600lb
XPMR10 17,955lb
there you go sunny jim… just like I said… this is on the first page BTW…
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH ??
the rest of your statment is you being unbelieveably obtuse and petty… personal attacks… again! instead of substance…
You try to attack an engine damper built for derek that broke?!! well good thing it DID break! otherwise the forces acting upon it would have damaged the enigne… If maybe you’d taken the time , ( a few min at most would have been suffice), you’d have found out that he had no tower brace on the car at the time and the torque stay, not damper… was putting an uneven loading on the engine… if i had built it to stand up to the loading of the frame twisting ,( not the 200 or so ft/lbs it was built for at the point where it was postitioned) it would have torn the head off the block…
yeah… you SO know what the hell your talking about…
Your attacks on TM’s statments are laughable, your comparing my concerns about the shear on an aluminum eyelet end to a monoblock of aluminum that could be made of 2024 or 7075… you ahve no clue… but yet somehow in your odd little mind, you’ve managed to make those tw items one in the same… Not to mention that bob was talking about aluminum’s oxidation reaction TO salt water… which is several 100x’s greater then normal water… and annodizing , even at a ‘mil’ spec is only 50-55 microns. dosent take much more then a stone hitting it to scratch it… 6061 is fairly resistant to corrosion but it’s not impervious… the thread portion of the rod end does not reqire much oxidation to turn it to white powder…
If all you have left in your arsenal of saved phone messages from your suppliers is petty attacks n those that dare question your all powerful and omnipotent parts… then just stop now…
I use it too, and will be buying more…
I am not the best drifter in the world. I have hit more than a couple of curbs in my track days and have never bent or broken Bing’s stuff, I will be buying more if it… and it isn’t even the new, stronger arms with the BIG rod ends.
Theo
Idiotic, uneducated statment… your making comments on a ) things you have no clue about with b) no technical backgound to back up anything you say about bob eng projects or the loading on a toqure stay… hell your not even calling it what it is… it’s a STAY not a ‘brace’… and C) here’s the biggie… both bob and I CAN design and build our own parts… and things possibly not working the first time out IS part of the process when you make new things, ( it’s called ’ experimentation’ look it up )… YOU cannot claim anything even remotely close to this experience or ablity. So your comments on this subject have zero relavence and weight beyond the fact that it points to you being naive enough to think you possibly CAN comment on it… go back to food & hospitality management…
people seem to be reading things into or just plainly making grand assumptions about what I’ve said here… where did I ever say ’ don’t buy his parts’ ? nowhere. so be kind enough ( you and the others above referenced ) to not assume that I am…
I use it too, and will be buying more…
I am not the best drifter in the world. I have hit more than a couple of curbs in my track days and have never bent or broken Bing’s stuff, I will be buying more if it… and it isn’t even the new, stronger arms with the BIG rod ends.
Theo[/quote]
i’ll ask for the 3rd time, what is your formal education?
do you hold any cirtification in any trade? what schooling do you have?
Does it make you feel like a big man to berate a 23 year old who’s farther ahead in business and life than you are at the age of almost 40? It doesnt take an idiot to use a cad program, 1 simester and even a novice can use programs like autocad or Pro E and design and actually test parts for stresses based on casting and meterials used. So do not assume for the slightest second that you or bob are superior to anyone in any way.
if this argument was about aluminum corroding due salt water, then make that argument to every manufacturer of coil over using annodized aluminum, or to audi for makin aluminum cars. The only issue with bings rod ends will be in A the mixing of steel and aluminum and B in the annodizing comming off the threads on the rod ends. AS you have said, and i hope it is common knowledge, annodizing is similar to case hardening of steel, only the outer portion has the hard protective coat. The corrsoion that would build up here would be the same on any of the threads of any aluminum bodied coilover. Which can easily be taken care of by vaselene, greese or antisieze.
the parts numbers you have listed are still not the ones i am using.
Ian, you made my earlier point when you said the dampener you built for Derek was supposed to break so that the engine doesn’t. It’s ridiculous to ask for 40,000+lbs out of your suspension components, b/c exactly what I said will happen. Your frame… will BREAK. Where the suspension is mounted to it, there will be hole where frame used to be. And then you won’t be able to put suspension on it anymore, you’ll have to toss the bitch.
As to aluminum costing more to purchase than chromoly… Chromoly costs more to work. And that’s what makes it more expensive in the end.
I’ve actually seen the production facility for Bing’s gear…and it is impressive to say the least.
The sh!t “they” make for Bing is absolute CHILD’S PLAY compared to the stuff they manufacture as the core of their business.
I would recomend Bing’s gear to anyone…not because I’ve used it (yet), but because I’ve seen where it gets built. This is not some guy in his garage with a welder…I’ll leave it at that.
first off your all being overly litterally to try and push your point through… I CHOSE those sizes to be representative of the statment that Bing made earlier of aluminum being stronger then steel … I used those sized BECUSE they represent two different sizes with the same specs… the cromoly and the aluminum sizing is not in parity across the board… all this chart is meant to represent is that when all things ARE EQUAL cromoly is much stronger.
Solarian Sicne I don’t have a 240 in front of me I can’t give you a mathimatical example of what loads MAY occour… however I will measure up my FC and give you an example based on that… it’s not a 240 but it’s a multilink rear end with coil on strut like yours… so it will behave in a similar way…
lucky since you seems to know my posts so well it’s surprizing that you missed in this thread where I’ve said that I have a B.Sc. … maybe you just don’t read my posts… just react. if the 23 year old is big enought to start an argument with me then I’ll argue back… I don’t see a problem with this. Or are you a product of the school system that lets you do and say what you want without having to be and take responsability for said actions… the real world doesn’t work like that. Also you have absolutley zero clue what I’ve done with my life so don’t assume to even think you can comment on it… at ‘23’ I had done more with my life then most people at that age… making grand assumtions based on what your limited to non exsistent perception of me is, is pathetic. And Eng. or any B.Sc. is allot more then using a cad programme dude… but you wouldn’t know that would you… so what makes you think you have any ability to comment factually on it ??
Again you seem to not read posts that I or bob have made /been quoted, thier are many many better alloys then 6061 to use is a salt water environ… You never see the '2 years later in Ontario ’ pictures becuse no one really wants you to see the pitted and corroded suface of thier coil overs… Most of these alloy suspensions are from Japan or other places that do not use salt or brine solutions on thier roads in winter, then of course thier is a covalent bonding issue with other materials in a salt solution, this is also an easy example to see in real life when you go to remove a bolt from an alloy brake caliper or spindle chances are, unless you’ve serviced that fixing point every year, it’s going to be frozen in place and require both heat and allot of force to unfreeze that bolt or nut… it’s a good point, but that was not MY argument, my original point if you go back to the beginning and it still is my point; that aluminum is not as strong in shear as cromoly , that’s simple materials knowledge, you don’t even need to go to school to know that much.
Annodizing is NOTHING like steel hardening… steel hardening is changing the molecular alingment of the material to make it harder… annodizing is arrangin ghte oxidation ( the rust ) in a uniform and even manner to accept a dye, the hot water process that you use to seal the surface after the dye goes in just seals… boiling water is not nearly hot enought to do any anything on a molecular level to aluminum. annodized metal is still just as easy to scratch and wear as un annodized…
You never owned a bike did you, what happens when you add say grease or vasaline or even wd40 to your chain or ANY part on the bike … it grabbed dirt and wore out the part faster then without it becuse it ground in the dirt and crap. So what you’ve just promoted is the acceleration of wear by adding a film that will promote dirt to stick to the surfaces you’ve treated…
You’ve pretty much gone and shown you know little to nothing on every subject you’ve touched on, my life, schooling, annodizing, dissimilar metal electron migration basics… basic, common sense care for your car.
But if your only reasoning for your 6 month plus angst and petty attacks towards me are based on the fact that I berated you or someone else who was younger them me? you’ve got some serious self confidence issues.
As far as welding in a garage, it doesn’t take $150K worth of machines to tig weld a cromoly rod and have them both look and do the same job… the caveat being that the person doing the work in thier garage, whatever it may be, has the skills to do the job right.
ok i dont want to get into the middle of this whole argument, but i think that using the technical forum for an argument, where everyone is just saying the same stuff back and forth to each other is useless…this thread is useless…to anyone who reads this they will be quickley confused about what going on, its just u guys thrashing each other egos…
come on seriously, grow up guys, i think we are all a little more mature than to argue something over the internet on a forum…argue it in person, or at least have a stick fight or something…but this is just retarded
now i can understand if u think this is usefull for someone looking to buy multi link but its not…someone should just post in the faq or here what other multi link set ups there are and what there loading rates are and so on
sorry for this i will not argue about what i have said this is just a rant because i see son going more downhill every day…just cause of stupid stuff like this…
one more thing…so the guy is selling a multi link set up…if u were in the business and u were selling some sort of equiptment or part or w.e wouldnt u say that ur part is the best? for xample…resturaunts have ads, their food might suck but they might say they are the best in town
im just saying
i think this thread should be locked and this argument be takin elsewhere, and ur probably gonna say dont read it, but it looks stupid when more people want to become a part of son and they come across a stupid argument
maybe someone should edit all the bs out and leave the valuable information thats what i think…it is useful, just most of it is crap
rant for the day
-rob
so your condoning non disclosure and dishonesty/misleading information in the business word? your asking that when someone sees a potential problem or false statment that they don’t say anything based on your perception of what people do and don’t want to see ?? wow, allot of unethical business would like your number… I’m sure every infomercial would like it too…
also maby going to berate the people who come into a post that, was mainly technical in nateure just to try and flame someone is probably the best place to point your anger or frustrations. not at the people trying to, for the most part, provide some sort of response ON topic. There are allot of larger issues that need to be taken car of… but trying to brate people who are trying to show the ‘otherside of the coin’ is hardly the first one to start with, if at all.
u have it wrong, this is the last post ill do in thie thread…i was saying that all business claim to have the best product and i did say if u can read…that other multi link set ups should be shown and the useful information in this thread sould be kept…if u actually read what i said i clearly state that the individual should seek help from a proffessional or someone who know what they are talking about
my sole purpose for saying anything was to get all useful information out of this thread more readable…and all personal attacks each of you have said to one another gone…this thread is more personal than it is techinical
good day sir
-rob
well considering I did respond your first post I belive I can read… I think the downfall came in your delivery
ne more thing…so the guy is selling a multi link set up…if u were in the business and u were selling some sort of equiptment or part or w.e wouldnt u say that ur part is the best? for xample…resturaunts have ads, their food might suck but they might say they are the best in town
the general tone of that statement made it clear that you didn’t see an issue with people doing this without somesort of check and balance. Since here (on line ) there are no standards boards or food critics…then the only way for people to get ’ both’ sides is by having topics like this… where it goes bad is when people come into a thread and start to add personal attacks…
good day to you…