Background: Last night, I made my first post/thread on the ultra-high-profile RSpeed in over 2-3months telling them about the Shift518 meet. All I did was post a link, date, place, and said “if you’re interested in hanging out with fellow enthusiasts, feel free to stop by and have a good time.” Within I’d say 18hrs, the thread was deleted. This convo is between the owner and operator of the site and I.
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:12:07 PM): did you delete the shift518 meet thread?
aidem citonhcet (4:12:13 PM): yes
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:12:17 PM): why?
aidem citonhcet (4:12:29 PM): because shift518 is not a sponsor on rspeed
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:12:42 PM): MeanDesigns is, correct?
aidem citonhcet (4:12:45 PM): nope
aidem citonhcet (4:12:49 PM): and wouldn’t matter anyways
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:12:52 PM): why?
aidem citonhcet (4:13:07 PM): because mean designs is not shift518
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:13:16 PM): mean designs is parent company to shift518
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:13:27 PM): sort of like technotic media and elegance or w/e
aidem citonhcet (4:15:32 PM): if that is the case legally, then great, but mean designs is not a sponsor of rspeed, and most likely we wouldn’t let it be posted on there anyways
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:15:42 PM): for what reason?
aidem citonhcet (4:15:55 PM): who cares lol
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:15:59 PM): i do
aidem citonhcet (4:16:06 PM): mean designs is not a sponsor, /thread lol
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:16:23 PM): but even if they were, what is the reason you wouldn’t let it be posted?
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:17:15 PM): whether it may be a personal grievance with vlad or what, do you just not care about the scene?
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:18:10 PM): why did you start rspeed? to help the scene grow?
aidem citonhcet (4:18:15 PM): besides personal issues, why would anyone want that posted on rspeed… everyone knows about the bullshit that is posted about rspeed on there
aidem citonhcet (4:18:15 PM): you think that doesn’t get brought to my attention?
aidem citonhcet (4:18:17 PM): what scene?
aidem citonhcet (4:18:33 PM): local? rspeed isn’t about the local “scenes” anymore
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:18:47 PM): no, but the scene of automotive and motorcycle enthusiasts altogether
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:19:00 PM): and you don’t see me or vlad talking shit about rspeed
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:19:05 PM): as i respect you and the work you’ve done
aidem citonhcet (4:19:21 PM): i see vlad
aidem citonhcet (4:19:30 PM): not you, but i don’t see you defending either
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:19:59 PM): no, but i have no reason to
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:20:41 PM): when i signed up for rspeed and paid for the premium membership, no where did it say i must defend rspeed.
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:20:55 PM): but mike, why did you start rspeed?
aidem citonhcet (4:21:29 PM): i wasn’t getting at the premium membership thing
aidem citonhcet (4:21:32 PM): but nice try 
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:21:46 PM): no, but even when i signed up, it didn’t say anything about defending rspeed
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:22:03 PM): i did when i thought rspeed was a great forum, but you and i both know it’s died in the past year or so from what it once was
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:22:11 PM): but please answer me… why did you start rspeed?
aidem citonhcet (4:23:11 PM): why do you care? I don’t have time to argue with you over aim about why you can’t post about a useless site that bashes my site
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:23:34 PM): i care because the reason you started rspeed is the same reason why vlad started shift518
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:23:55 PM): and i remember when rspeed consisted of some APG forum bashing way back when that forum existed
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:24:03 PM): you wanted to help the scene grow, correct?
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:24:17 PM): you wanted to get more people interested in cars, bikes, whatever
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:25:03 PM): so by not allowing a damn thread about a meet just trying to get several enthusiasts in the same place, it goes against what you originally started rspeed for
aidem citonhcet (4:25:05 PM): actually, rspeed was originally a car club back when apg forums were around
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:25:15 PM): oh i know, then it turned into something bigger
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:25:25 PM): you still allowed non-club members to post
aidem citonhcet (4:25:45 PM): i’m all about helping the car/bike scene out, but that doesn’t involve helping shift518 out
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:25:53 PM): it has nothing to do with shift
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:25:59 PM): what if i labeled it as “huge car meet”
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:26:06 PM): no event promotors, so to speak
aidem citonhcet (4:26:20 PM): well i’d say, now its too late
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:26:24 PM): why?
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:26:29 PM): no one has to know
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:26:38 PM): just because vlad’s gonna be behind the grill cooking?
aidem citonhcet (4:26:56 PM): what do you care? its not like any of you guys post on rspeed anyways, so it’s easier to just drop it
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:27:09 PM): because it’s dead, the traffic is low
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:27:20 PM): from the last login of june 11th, until my post, only 1100 posts
aidem citonhcet (4:27:28 PM): actually traffic is very high, postcount is low
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:28:22 PM): either way, why not help fellow enrepreneurs out?
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:28:34 PM): we’re all about voicing opinions
aidem citonhcet (4:28:44 PM): lmao
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:29:00 PM): some posts may be against rspeed, yea, but it’s not like we promote it
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:29:12 PM): it’s not like we have a huge banner across the site saying “talk shit about rspeed here!”
aidem citonhcet (4:29:20 PM): you don’t stop it either… so much for helping out a fellow entrepreneur
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:29:37 PM): because we let our members post their opinions without editing them
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:29:45 PM): i did my helping out
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:29:50 PM): $30 later
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:30:07 PM): vlad even had a vendor section on YOUR site even while shift518 was starting
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:30:16 PM): then you let some personal grievance get in the way or whatever
aidem citonhcet (4:30:39 PM): i did? if you only knew
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:30:48 PM): you’re right, i don’t know
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:31:21 PM): i remember you getting pissed off for vlad promoting shift518, which in no way do me or vlad consider a ‘competing’ website
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:31:33 PM): telling him to get another vendor listing as shift518
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:33:39 PM): why not just let it be and allow an event that’s promoting the scene, which you seem to not give a shit about, to be posted about?
aidem citonhcet (4:34:22 PM): i asked him to get another account, which seems that all of the other mods/admins were in agreement about, and he got all pissy
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:34:47 PM): but mean designs is the parent company of shift518
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:35:01 PM): on his dba, it’s mean designs
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:35:06 PM): he doesn’t have two
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:35:08 PM): he doesn’t need to
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:35:20 PM): he doesn’t try to make money of of shift, he gives the paper out for free
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:37:54 PM): so why not make an attempt to help someone out who is just trying to do the same thing you did a few years ago?
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:40:57 PM): it’s not like it’s a competing website or anything
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:42:15 PM): you gonna respond?
aidem citonhcet (4:43:36 PM): got nothin to say, and i’m working on some sites, trying to get ready to leave
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:44:01 PM): well are you gonna allow the promotion of an event which just happens to be hosted by Shift518 on your site?
aidem citonhcet (4:44:09 PM): no
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:44:32 PM): well i tried. i just see that this goes to show you’re not in it for any scene, you’re just in it for yourself
aidem citonhcet (4:45:12 PM): think what you want
UnderSteerN2Wall (4:45:39 PM): i will until proven otherwise
aidem citonhcet is away at 4:49:03 PM.
