Obamacares Fate, Votes in Today

[GD3Skier]

You can do that as an individual too. It’s called self insured.

[JoeD]

Yes but aren’t you required to leave a deposit with the DMV for that?

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[GD3Skier]

Yup you have to post a certain amount of money.

[car_ramrod]

@TonyJ124

I’m not trying to stir the pot here, but can you back this up?

http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-price-tag-shifts-940-billion-1-163500655.html

all of that money will be taxpayer money

And not to mention, how many employers will drop insurance coverage for their employees in 2014 when this becomes available?

[RTrac1]

i hope mine doesnt. I pay $0.25/week for my health insurance right now

[usmc2801]

[GD3Skier]

:rofl

[Hang_Your_Cross]

oh look, i can post a stupid political cartoon too.

[Vovchandr]

^ :rofl

[Hang_Your_Cross]

@Upstate

Basic human rights are the ability to defend oneself, to not be enslaved, to be recognized under the law, etc; general principles that have guided mankind for hundreds of years. This idea that healthcare is a human right is a very recent one and one made by progressives as a justification for government interference in peoples lives. Why should certain people get AC and others not?

Society long ago said that we don’t want our poorest suffering, hence we now have Medicaid. I think the issue that most people have with the ACA is not the goal of making sure everyone is insured, it’s the manner in which it is done. If a state (and I will always argue this is a state issue, not federal) wishes to establish a low-cost insurance exchange for people to take advantage of, they should be able to. However the federal government should not tell tham that they have to, and more importantly the federal government should not tell individuals that they must buy this product or incur a penalty. THAT is the problem.

Actually, those rights are fairly recent given the time frame of mankind and civilization. Just over 150 years ago, people were allowed to own slaves within the United States borders. But, you see, we as a society evolved and saw how wicked it was to own another person, and to deny people basic rights under the law based on color, religion, sex and sexuality. The human race is supposed to progress every generation for the better, and now due to our progression we are seeing more equal rights for every person in the United States.

Healthcare, in my opinion is another basic right. Everyone deserves the right to live and to be treated with affordable healthcare. That is where this bill comes in; it grants people this right. It’s not a universal system as seen in other countries; but, it’s a start. And you can’t say that it will cause harm to the country and we will lose jobs because of this bill. Look at Germany for instance, they have socialized medicine and they are an economic powerhouse.

In the end we are going to have dissenting opinions and that’s how it’s going to be. You won’t be able to change my mind and vice versa.

[ReDevil]

@GD3Skier

You can do that as an individual too. It’s called self insured.

@GD3Skier

Yup you have to post a certain amount of money.

Like how much? Seeing how little I drive some of my cars could be a viable money saving option!

As far as Obamacare, not really sure how it affects me yet. I am on Medicare (Not Medicaid) because of disability. I dont have insurance for my daughter currently, I pay out of pocket for her checkups. I really want to get insurance that will cover us both, but my “pre existing conditions” make any of them sky rocket the premiums.

[Hang_Your_Cross]

well then “obamacare” will help you out a lot due to the per-existing condition factor. Do you make too much for Child Health +?

http://www.health.ny.gov/health_care/child_health_plus/eligibility_and_cost.htm

I have it for my son. We pay so little for it compared to what I would be paying for my own.

[JoeD]

I did read something about how it will actually create jobs. This is due to the fact we don’t have enought medical personal to handle all the people that will now have the ability to get care. So if you are getting out of high school look into medical field jobs. You don’t have to be a doctor we will need nurses, xray techs, ect.
Of course some will spin this saying we don’t have enough personnel and we should not use Obamacare. But you can’t start hiring people until it is effective. That would be sucide for the hospitals.

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[usmc2801]

@JoeD.

I did read something about how it will actually create jobs. This is due to the fact we don’t have enought medical personal to handle all the people that will now have the ability to get care. So if you are getting out of high school look into medical field jobs. You don’t have to be a doctor we will need nurses, xray techs, ect.
Of course some will spin this saying we don’t have enough personnel and we should not use Obamacare. But you can’t start hiring people until it is effective. That would be sucide for the hospitals.

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It wont really create jobs, there is already a huge shortage of those positions, especially nurses, but for some reason its not a field of work a lot of people are interested in.

[JoeD]

That sucks those are very respectful jobs. But there not rock star jobs like video game designer.

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[dkid15]

@Hang Your Cross

you dont even have to move to a city. my friend is doing very well for himself. then again, he’s smart and makes his own compounds.

http://www.saugertiesrx.com/[](http://www.villageapothecary.com/)

Compounding pharmacies do very very well. Especially ones that do Pet Meds. Its funny how you can crush up 1 dollar of lisinopril, add a suspending agent and chicken flavoring and people are biting your hand off to pay 40 dollars for it. Pet meds are a cash only business as well.

Edit: apparently your buddy does vet compounds. Their store looks really well done.

@usmc2801

It wont really create jobs, there is already a huge shortage of those positions, especially nurses, but for some reason its not a field of work a lot of people are interested in.

The fact that these employers are now at least getting paid for every patient they see is vital. I agree on the shortage. Its partially due to salary. Walking into a shit smelling room, with trauma victims all day everyday isnt worth it to some. Not even at 60k/year. I wouldn’t doubt it if nurses/physicians both saw a steady increase in salary.

[Ilya]

@usmc2801

Love those commercials :rofl

[Upstate]

@JoeD.

Yes health care is not a right. We also should stop providing all this water to peoples houses also. If you want water you should have to go to the river and get it yourself bowl it and then drink it. Or have a company handle it without government oversite so prices are jacked up and only the rich can afford it.

Unfortunately we don’t live in fantasy land and some people are not able to get a job that provides health care. Example Walmart employes allot of people but they keep them part time so they can save money. So they work and don’t deserve the same health care as any man in this country? So instead give him crappy care. Now you may say well he can go to.college but the fact is some people are not smart enough, can’t afford it, or have a family situation that doesn’t allow it. Well you could tell them to join the military which is a great idea but who foots the bill for that guys pay, healthcare, GI bill ect. You can also do state funded college but who pays for that.
To have a properly functioning society you need housing, food, water, and health.

Just look at what happens when say there is a disaster. Red cross provides those exact things basic human life support.

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In the past people who couldn’t afford college intellectually or financially would work hard and work their way up rather than settle for a part time job. Unfortunately Americans today are more than happy to accept that work and then complain they aren’t paid enough and they’re “worth more.”

@Hang Your Cross

Actually, those rights are fairly recent given the time frame of mankind and civilization. Just over 150 years ago, people were allowed to own slaves within the United States borders. But, you see, we as a society evolved and saw how wicked it was to own another person, and to deny people basic rights under the law based on color, religion, sex and sexuality. The human race is supposed to progress every generation for the better, and now due to our progression we are seeing more equal rights for every person in the United States.

Healthcare, in my opinion is another basic right. Everyone deserves the right to live and to be treated with affordable healthcare. That is where this bill comes in; it grants people this right. It’s not a universal system as seen in other countries; but, it’s a start. And you can’t say that it will cause harm to the country and we will lose jobs because of this bill. Look at Germany for instance, they have socialized medicine and they are an economic powerhouse.

In the end we are going to have dissenting opinions and that’s how it’s going to be. You won’t be able to change my mind and vice versa.

I don’t think you’ll find anyone who thinks healthcare for all is a bad thing. The difference that you’ll see is in its implementation. Government should be incentivizing people to buy through tax credits rather than penalizing them for not. The main obstacle to that is the cost of insurance, which this law does nothing to bring down.

[Hang_Your_Cross]

@dkid15

Compounding pharmacies do very very well. Especially ones that do Pet Meds. Its funny how you can crush up 1 dollar of lisinopril, add a suspending agent and chicken flavoring and people are biting your hand off to pay 40 dollars for it. Pet meds are a cash only business as well.

Edit: apparently your buddy does vet compounds. Their store looks really well done.

The fact that these employers are now at least getting paid for every patient they see is vital. I agree on the shortage. Its partially due to salary. Walking into a shit smelling room, with trauma victims all day everyday isnt worth it to some. Not even at 60k/year. I wouldn’t doubt it if nurses/physicians both saw a steady increase in salary.

yeah, he opened up another pharmacy one town over a year later. dude is doing well for himself. he graduated from albany pharm too.

[JoeD]

So why do states have to tell corporations what minimum wage should be? I do believe its because a corporation would try to pay the least amount possible for the most amount of work. Also most jobs that paid well were once manufacturing jobs and you could work your way up. Now those jobs were sent overseas. Just Google why apple will never manufacture the iPhone in the US. You will see the true greed of the fat cats. Also read a little Noam Chomsky even if you don’t agree with him he does shed light on the mindset corporate leadership.

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