Seriously?
Rich people arent the problem, lazy poor people are the problem
Your all victims of the Cointelpro. I feel bad for all of you.
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Don’t blame me, I voted for Pitman.
Oh no? Why do you have a job? How about your previous jobs? You did it all just because you want to work and youd be doing it even if they didn’t pay you?
You want to talk ignorant idealistic ideas such as business only job is to make money? Fine. Government only job is to support it’s people and me being part of it’s people as a citizen I support it.
By your logic it’s the governments fault for illegals in this country, not the fact that none would be here if no business hired them because of “profitability”. Keep giving them jobs and they will keep coming.
You don’t want regulation? Which one do you want to do away with? Food/meat standards and inspections? Enjoy your meat after that. How about pollution? Go swim in Mohawk by GE after that. How about work safety and health?
Businesses exist for profit? Still deal with US? Profits must still be there. Don’t like it? Nothing is keeping them here, free to go anywhere. Still here? Than they are making enough money right? Your own logic. They don’t owe US government anything.
So its profitable to join the military…not by a long shot. Most of my soldiers had to be on government assistance to make ends meet. I went back active duty mainly because under Bush no jobs. I get out under Obama I had 4 great job offers. Just my exp. 4-0 Obama wins.
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KK’s back from VACA!
Being far from a financial analyst myself I could be way off here but.
The US has a giant pot of money that just circulates around amongst the citizens. Business owners produce a product, and pay people to do so. People take their pay home and spend it on products. Its more like recycling. With that being said, some people naturally will find a way to sell a product for more money, while producing it for less, and slide the balance their way. It has to happen I guess. Some will be rich, some will be poor.
Problem comes when that balance is falling off the roof a big building. If there isnt anything to slow it down, it will hit terminal velocity and continue to the ground. Trying to stop that is next to impossible at that point. Just take one market. 10 competitors in it. One guy starts to produce slightly sub par products, becasue of say price cuts (layoffs, cheaper materials, less overhead, corner cutting in production, etc) he still manages to sell a product and make money. Soon he has enough money to buy out one of the other 9 guys, maybe one of them isnt doing so hot so he takes them over. Well if what worked for the first guy got him this far, why not continue it? So he buys the next guy, fires half the staff, sells half the production stuff, produces twice the “good enough” product at half the operating costs, maybe even drops his prices a bit to get more business that way and starts to dive off the building.
Makes even more profit, and keeps buying up competition, and keeps the same trends going. Now hes falling at terminal velocity, nothing will stop him except the ground. Soon enough the market is full of half assed product and unemployment, but one rich guy. (keep in mind the same trends work for the suppliers for this guy, think chicken before the egg here)
And BOOM, hits the ground.
Time to try again. Its just like the generation of young kids that seem to be pissing everyone off now. If people dont stand up and try to BETTER themselves, and eventually their businesses, enjoy your fall to the ground.
/KKlifnotes: “faster, cheaper, easier” they taught us in school completely fucked this economy.
Ah value engineering developed by GE.
This is why the government must keep company’s Honest. Example Shatter proof glass on your car.
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case and point was just hammered into my head this afternoon actually, about what i just said.
A lady i know very well was just let go after working for the company for 20 years, while I was away on vacation. Reason for termination “numbers”… that was what she was told, and given on paper as she left. total bullshit. Everyone there loved her and she busted her ass for the company, total shock to everyone when we found out. More food for thought, the company 100 or so employees also throws a holiday party, at the ball room in Saratoga National, all expenses paid, prize giveaways like tv’s, ipads, computers, good stuff, and one year the grand was a new car $25K or so, and last year was a big vacation… both of which higher ups won. So they can toss a $100K party, that at which they brag and “pat you on the back for” millions in profits, new expansion, etc… but cant keep a salary for someone that grew your business for 20 years??? get the fuck out.
but hey, thanks for giving me a job right?
EDIT> “numbers” meaning their $$$ VS her position of employment… not her lack of performance or what ever. typical “downsizing”.
And thats why i like having a union.
KK: they do that party to keep ALL employees happy. It boosts morale and let’s the employees think the company cares about them, so they work harder to ensure they stay liked by upper management.
The way they see it (not exactly my POV) is that they had to let an employee go so that they can continue boosting morale of all of the other employees, free up payroll that can go to some kid fresh out of college (most likely a lower salary) and then build their loyalty and trust from that employee. It’s one of the first things you learn in almost any business class.
Which is total garbage in reality. on paper it sounds fine and should “work”.
The party is cool for a week and people forget, then get back to the “norm” at the job. Most if not all. Also people are far too negitive, and cling to negitive things. You heard more about how the party was “rigged” to hand out the grand prizes to the executives that won it, (it was a name in a hat thing, so its not that hard to say it was so and so when it wasnt) than how nice the event was. Society is a bitch.
Also, last year was the first year nobody got a yearly bonus, but got a big party, that would have covered everyones bonus ($500-1K per emp in the past). So instead of people taking themselves and guest to a $200 a plate dinner they probably wouldnt mind not having over a $1000 holiday bonus might keep food on the table for the family for a month+, it leaves a bit of a bitter feeling.
And that second part is again, why more -'s come from moves like that than +'s. Getting rid of an assett to the company to save $30K a year on their salery instead of some “fresh out of school kid”, is a poor decission again. Ave college kids first jobs last 6mos to a year then they find something else. So your company trained a kid for say 2 months, to have them work there for another 4 and leave… then more expense to hire someone else and repeate the process… all the while getting sub par performance VS an expienced old timer that did the job well for many years? You cant tell me you havnt worked somewhere and saw just that happen. Old guy got canned and new kid comes in to take his spot and “doesnt know shit”.
Entry level jobs are there for a reason… to give new people to the carreer field a chance to prove themselves. Taking a higher up position with more responsibility and dumping it on a new kid, to save 30K a year is a POOR business choice IMO. And dont even say split the resonisibility between 2 newbies, becasue that would cost the company around $15K OVER keeping the person to do so in this particular case, defeating the concept in the first place.
It’s been proven that more money in a pay check does not increase morale, work ethic, or appreciation of the job nearly as much as a simple pat on the back from higher ups, benefits, or even holiday parties.
Also, with holiday bonuses it makes them become expected year after year, so If the company can’t afford it one year (or won’t), the employees won’t be very disappointed.
Getting something unexpected does not enhance morale to the poin where it’ll overcome the decrease in morale from not gettin something you expect. If that makes sense.
Unions are no different and no better than corporations. Look at the PEF contract vote last year. The Governor said if you don’t accept this contract, we’re going to layoff 3,500 of your “brothers.” So what did PEF members do? They voted it down, of course. Granted, the second time around they approved it, but that was only after some serious ground work that ultimately cost the union bigs their jobs. A union mindset is all about preserving power and growing their dues-paying ranks, regardless of the impact it has on the rest of the population. I can tell you from experience they approach things the same exact way as a private sector business.
I would love to see reports on that proof. All i know is what I see myself.
I understand what your saying, and can see it that way too. You cant please everyone, and I see the “expectation” for the bonus. BUT the root of a bonus is the pat on the back for doing your job well enough to out to expecationsion from the owners, who aparantly are nice enough to dig into their now swolen pockets (from your hard work) and give some back to you.
Therefor if no bonus will be offered, damn well better show good proof and figures supporting the inability to provide the bonus… NOT brag about the better than projected profits like they did at the party!
THIS.
People were let go here, that were just hired on under PEF when that went down. Some went from steady many years of empolyment under a contractor for the state, to “yehhhhaaaa I am now a state worker! woot!!!” to, unemployment line.
Or better yet work for a union for 30 years, then get sued by them to give up your pention becasue the retirement choice you made was to open your own small business, totally unrelated to what your union job was, becasue they found a far fetched way to call it “competition”. Just to weasle out of a pention.
Bottom line is if you work for someone, your ass is allways on the line one way or another.
I work because I need money, but the goals of where I work, and my job are not profit, as opposed to BUSINESS which has one goal generally…money. are you so brainwashed into hating corporations that thats not acceptable to you for some reason? Thats what a business is whether you like it or no.
You want to talk ignorant idealistic ideas such as business only job is to make money? Fine. Government only job is to support it’s people and me being part of it’s people as a citizen I support it.
How is it idealistic to say a business’ goal is to make money? Lol, what other goals do they have? I’ve asked a few times and you havn’t given me one yet…regardless of secondary goals like maybe, contributing to charity or advancing some other beleif they have, their main goal is making profit otherwise there is no longer a business. I agree governments job is to support its people,not forcing people to do things like have health insurance if they don’t want it…I don’t see how thats supporting its people, sounds like its just over regulating.
By your logic it’s the governments fault for illegals in this country, not the fact that none would be here if no business hired them because of “profitability”. Keep giving them jobs and they will keep coming.
Who said i agree with businesses hiring illegals? lol I never said I agree with businesses doing anything illegal in fact, but I don’t blame them for doing anything thats legal to make money
You don’t want regulation? Which one do you want to do away with? Food/meat standards and inspections? Enjoy your meat after that. How about pollution? Go swim in Mohawk by GE after that. How about work safety and health?
hm, i would say there is a difference between inspecting meat, and regulating so that everyone needs health insurance overreach much? Sure I don’t have a problem with governments holding businesses who do illegal/unsafe things accountable.
Businesses exist for profit? Still deal with US? Profits must still be there. Don’t like it? Nothing is keeping them here, free to go anywhere. Still here? Than they are making enough money right? Your own logic. They don’t owe US government anything.
I’ll try to decipher this paragraph but its so incoherant I might miss what youre trying to say. Actually nope, I have no clue what that says.
My paragraphs are fine.
Your view of business is just as idealistic as my proposed view of the government.
In theory business exists for profit.
In practice business is made up of people, each and every single person there hoping to earn more money or have better benefits from the business. Which is the opposite of the goal. Even at the top level, the failing CEO’s still make sure that they sign a contract guaranteeing them a severance packadge - iE money from the business.
Business is a non entity without someone running it, just a name on a paper, and people running it are only interested in taking money from it, and ideally help it stay in business. That’s how a business runs, whether YOU like it or not.
And just to set the record straight, do you or do you not blame businesses for doing illegal things such as hiring illegals to make money?
Also for the record you are NOT entirely against government regulation? Only things government can hold those accountable for illegal things is because it made then illegal by regulation. Prior to the regulation those things were legal.
And let me get this straight.
It’s OK for government to tax business.
It’s OK for government to tax people.
It’s OK for government to fine individual businesses for breaking rules and regulations.
It’s OK for government to fine individuals for misc rules, tax forms, late filing fees, tickets etc.
It’s OK for government to heavily tax individuals for things that are their own choice of doing such as cigarettes and lottery.
It’s not OK to make everybody have health insurance and tax people for once scaled on their salary if they chose not to?
Do people have a good reason not to have health insurance and then force TAX PAYERS and or HOSPITAL BUSINESS to cover their medical bill if they are in need of immediate attention.
Aren’t the people bitching about this the same people that bitch about people mooching off the system? In my previous experiences i can name a number of people that got hospital treatments without insurance and never bothered to pay it.
correct, that is not ok…
why should the government force anyone to do anything?? I like how you used the words " tax people scaled on their salary if they chose not to" like it is going to be a choice. The amount taxed is going to be ridiculous, upwards of $2000 for the average family if they don’t take the insurance.
How much is that family going to get for free if they recieve immediate services but than not cover the bills once they get into let’s say an accident?
If you guys hate a yearly mandated tax, you should move to a state that doesn’t require car insurance and then drive around without it.
I wonder how many of you will feel comfortable with that? :ponder
Its a private business who cares what their ceo’s do?Its not your or my right to determine what a private business does.
Business is a non entity without someone running it, just a name on a paper, and people running it are only interested in taking money from it, and ideally help it stay in business. That’s how a business runs, whether YOU like it or not.
yes, empoyees make the business profit so that they can profit…still the goal is profit whats your point?
And just to set the record straight, do you or do you not blame businesses for doing illegal things such as hiring illegals to make money?
I said they shouldn’t do anything illegal…
Also for the record you are NOT entirely against government regulation? Only things government can hold those accountable for illegal things is because it made then illegal by regulation. Prior to the regulation those things were legal.
Yes and they arent legal now…I think there should be minimal regulation that guards against safety issues mainly and let everything else work for itself.
And let me get this straight.
It’s OK for government to tax business.
It’s OK for government to tax people.
It’s OK for government to fine individual businesses for breaking rules and regulations.
It’s OK for government to fine individuals for misc rules, tax forms, late filing fees, tickets etc.
It’s OK for government to heavily tax individuals for things that are their own choice of doing such as cigarettes and lottery.
It’s not OK to make everybody have health insurance and tax people for once scaled on their salary if they chose not to?Do people have a good reason not to have health insurance and then force TAX PAYERS and or HOSPITAL BUSINESS to cover their medical bill if they are in need of immediate attention.
Um, how will making everyone have insurance help anything? People who right now pay 0 taxes, receive free housing, money, food stamps, several free cell phones, free utilities, bus passes, ect. will not be paying for health insurance. Therefor you will still be paying for them…
People who could once barely get by, by working hard and barely making ends meet now have a MANDATORY bill in addition to what they already have. This will push some families into government assistance and we will get their bill too good stuff. You think someone should HAVE to have health insurance? No, if you don’t want it you should receive emergency medical care only if needed.
Aren’t the people bitching about this the same people that bitch about people mooching off the system? In my previous experiences i can name a number of people that got hospital treatments without insurance and never bothered to pay it.
Yes we also bitch about government over reaching and forcing people to do things they shouldn’t have to do. If you think this is going to save the country money your nuts. People will be getting this for free just like they get everything else for free and instead of paying when some go to the hospital, now we get to pay for ALL of them everymonth to give them insurance. All good things