Every other college stadium sells outr with out the aid of Beer being sold. it isn’t allowed in NCAA Stadiums. Penguins sell out some times, so do the damn pirates. did Pitt have one sell out? NOPE! their last sell out was Notre Dame. and that is cause Notre dame brought their faithful to Pittsburgh. And before that it was probably Penn State. it is a disgrace to be a Pitt football fan, I grew up liking them but I am so glad I went to Penn State. I wish they would still play. but pitts idea of entertaining a football crowd is so bad that they can’t get the big schools to come. Plus Paterno is too damn stubborn to do a home away series but I don’t blame him. 110,000 people versus 65,000? if it was your job to bring money into the school what would you do. and Pitt is just as stupid for not accepting going to PSU for 3 out of 5 years.
who wants to come to pittsburgh for college football? Pitt just doens’t have the draw. they will be middle of the pack in the bigeast for life. they might not win a game in the big ten.
With all of that said, I am still a pitt Fan, unless they are playing PSU.
I guess I am one of those Smug pittsburgh boys that went to Penn State.
why should pitt give penn state what they want… recent success…sure penn st got an edge. pitt isn’t a fuckin joke thou. 9 time national champs etc… etc… they dont need to give into penn states horseshit. actaully thou pitt should accept and go up there and beat them and tell joe fag to go shit his pants again. 12-0 suck my dick, they need to come back to PGH and claim their nuts.
middle if the pack in the big east? they played basically for a big east championship in 02 and 03 against miami and won it in 04
pirates and penguins both sell beer and have promotional dates… pirates pretty much only sell out fireworks and bobble heads.
pitt needs to do a better job of gettin people in… maybe a tony D bobble head… i actually think heinz has hindered pitt in two ways… ONE you took the football stadium off campus…you look at all the places that get big student support and their stadiums are on campus or close. TWO… heinz has no tradition. you can’t capitalize on it. the stadium itself sucks as far as atmosphere, it never gets loud! pitt has no traditions as far as stuff like the sooner scooner or the hedges at georgia… that are lookin for that one tradition. i thought they had a good one with the “sirus” intro but they scraped that in 03 or 04.
they big 10 isn’t as good as people think, ummm APP ST!!! penn state non-conference might be a bigger joke than pitts! but common opponents…they both lost close games to MSU…in fact pitt lost to them by 3 and penn state lost to them by 4. penn st :temple buffalo ND and florida interantional compared to pitt’s: eatern michigan, grambling, michigan state, navy and virginia. Pitt for sure had the strength of schedule in their favor. u take a look at pitts games they lost… there were 3 games they got beat and the rest were close games. what else can you expect from a team that lost their starting QB early in the year and had to start a freshman with mental problems. they lost their all conference WR before the season. they had revis leave early, they had sessions and blades graduate… i think as disappointing as the record was pitts actually play wasnt so bad. did penn state knock off any #2 teams? did penn state beat OSU? like it or not pitt is not to far PSU if at all and they are doing it with a 1/4 of the fan support. and in the BCS era… pitt made it to one before either PSU or WVU.
Cutty may actually have a point on this one. I went to a Maryland Terrapins home game and their stadium is right in the middle of campus. Kinda gives a sense of intimacy, plus if you’re a student being able to walk 5 minutes and be there vs. having to get a ride/get on the bus/etc to get to Heinz Field may very well be the difference maker for a LOT of students. It wouldn’t be for me personally, but there are a lot of pussies out there.
and what exactly have they actually done in say the last 25 years? not much…
The Big East has pretty much been considered the joke of the BCS conferences. Pitt’s stellar bcs bowl performance did nothing to help that situation. Although the Mountain West conference is known to be quite a powerhouse division
Agreed. Although they have had that problem for quite some time. Even when they still had the on-campus stadium the sell-outs were when Notre Dame, Miami, Penn State, or WVU would be in town. A lot of the other games had tons of empty seats with exaggerated ticket sales due to Pitt packaging their tickets in plans so you had to buy the sucky games if you wanted to get the good games. Good idea for selling tickets but still left a lot of empty seats.
Going off-campus with the stadium was definitely a horrible move, especially if you want to attract students or have some tradition.
The Big 10 has rather consistently had teams that have performed quite well against any conference. It will be interesting to see how they fare this year in the bowls seeing as how almost the entire conference is playing in them.
The Big East has been touted this year but who exactly have they been beating? Cincinnati and Connecticut have supposedly risen to greatness however who exactly have they played aside from other overrated Big East teams? The only suposedly good teams they beat are other Big East teams that were far from proven. Rutgers and Louisville have had flashes of becoming something but have not strung together anything worth noting and have not shown much. South Florida showed they were nothing to take serious either.
are u serious… do you ever read about or watch college football… pretty much everyone said the big east has passed up the ACC in football. for the small amount of teams in the conference, the big east sure had many of them in the rankings this year. hell if not for pitt a big east team would be in the national championship… you can’t say it was because of a bad conference either… they play one more non conference game than most. If you ask me there wasn’t ANY dominate team or conference in college football this year.
The Big 10 has rather consistently had teams that have performed quite well against any conference. It will be interesting to see how they fare this year in the bowls seeing as how almost the entire conference is playing in them.
The Big East has been touted this year but who exactly have they been beating? Cincinnati and Connecticut have supposedly risen to greatness however who exactly have they played aside from other overrated Big East teams? The only suposedly good teams they beat are other Big East teams that were far from proven. Rutgers and Louisville have had flashes of becoming something but have not strung together anything worth noting and have not shown much. South Florida showed they were nothing to take serious either.
i believe the big east has a winning record against the big 10 all-time.
the two noteable wins of non conference opponants this year would be:oregon st and auburn. the big ten… they didnt beat ANYONE that was really decent… hell, they didnt even play anyone… their non conference this year was laughable… basically the conference beat up on notre dame…
I agree that Heinz has hurt Pitt. I talk about it every day. I work with an Ex Pitt QB. HE agrees. He wishes They would go up to PSU and play. etc… And yay Pitt Made it to a BCS game and got embarrassed by UTAH… what was it 49-0… the point is the Big East conference has turned into a Basketball heavy conference and now all the football players are going else where in the bigeast other than Pitt. Plus Wandsteadt is a horrible coach. he was horrible in the pros and he is a horrible college coach. He isn’t an X’s and O’s guy. You can’t honestly tell me you think the bigeast is better than the big Ten? I am looking at this subjuctively. I like Pitt I want Pitt to do well. I want to see Pitt PSU and WVU all play each other. Pitt is just in a world of hurt till Wansteadt is gone. and 2 years ago Penn State was one play away from playing for the national championship. but who cares blah blah blah… what have you done for me lately? Pitt should build their own field and play on campus. or else play at Pittsburgh central catholic, then they could sell it out!
again pitt had to start a freshman qb, lost their all conference reciever, their best player left for the pros…the games they lost were relatively close minus UCONN and UVA. so tell my why wannstedt sucks again? i beleive he did what walt couldn’t do… WIN A BIG GAME! plus dave recruits all the MEAT players that walt couldn;t, they had to tear it down to build it back up. pitt will be better off. just wait and see. look at pitt’s linemen in the late 70’s and early 80’s… thats why they won! you don’t need to have “wide reciever U” to win when you can win in the trenches.
play at central? central doesn;t have their own field… they play where they can and DOMINATE. the team without a fuckin field and they just keep winning… hell they might as well call heinz field their home.
Not much. A couple of 11-1 seasons. Some real nice talent. Marino, Richards, Martin, West, Fitzgerald, Bryant, Gilbert, Green, Tumulty, Doleman, etc…
The Big East has pretty much been considered the joke of the BCS conferences. Pitt’s stellar bcs bowl performance did nothing to help that situation. Although the Mountain West conference is known to be quite a powerhouse division
So I guess we should diss Oklahoma last year too? Utah had a very good team ( I won’t say excellent) against a Pitt team that didn’t deserve to be there because of the ACC raid. Utah had an excellent QB, and an outstanding coach with an innovative system that was hard to defend. No matter what, that is going to be ugly.
Agreed. Although they have had that problem for quite some time. Even when they still had the on-campus stadium the sell-outs were when Notre Dame, Miami, Penn State, or WVU would be in town. A lot of the other games had tons of empty seats with exaggerated ticket sales due to Pitt packaging their tickets in plans so you had to buy the sucky games if you wanted to get the good games. Good idea for selling tickets but still left a lot of empty seats.
Pitt sells out when the team is good. The Fitz years they sold out easily. Virginia Tech, Miami, Notre Dame, and Syracuse were sold out that year. The first game (can’t remember who it was) I think had 59,000 and Toledo that year had 64,000. The stadium sells out when the team is good. They just don’t have the hard core following of some of the bigger schools that are out in the middle of nowhere.
Remember, from about Pete Carroll’s 2nd year and before, when USC was okay not great, they didn’t sell out in the LA Coliseum. Neither does Miami. They were closing down the Orange Bowl against Virginia and had it at like 55% capacity. This is a problem for big urban schools that don’t have all the attention drawn to them.
Going off-campus with the stadium was definitely a horrible move, especially if you want to attract students or have some tradition.
They didn’t have a choice. Where were they going to build a stadium? Panther Hollow? Raise the Hill District? Move the Cathedral? That stadium, while “steeped” in tradition, was a shit hole that would have required over $100 million in renovations to get it up to just building code within the city.
The Big 10 has rather consistently had teams that have performed quite well against any conference. It will be interesting to see how they fare this year in the bowls seeing as how almost the entire conference is playing in them.
Against who? Tell me who the superstar teams are in the Big 11 outside of Ohio State? It’s not Wisconsin. It’s not Penn State. It’s not Michigan.
You’re best bet at another great team is Illinois, who thru the last three years combined only won SIX games. But then they brought it another supposed “coach who can’t coach, only recruit” and i’ll be damned look at the season they had this year.
The Big 11 is in the same class as the Big East, that being a step or two ahead of the ACC. The ACC is an absolute joke. They are awful. I know you Big 11 purists don’t want to admit it, but hey, that’s just the way it is.
Wow, what are you doing, reading directly off of a Ron Cook or Bob Smizik cache of articles?
Pitt lost to Utah I believe 35-0. Doesn’t really make much of a different if its 49 or 35, it was an ass-whoopin either way.
Wannstedt was horrible in the NFL. That’s why he won coach of the year with the Bears and took them to the playoffs, and took the Dolphins to their last two playoff appearances. Not saying he was the best coach in the NFL ever, but there are a lot of guys out there that haven’t won Coach of the Year and taken their teams to the playoffs
And I’m sure you think he isn’t an X’s and O’s type of guy, but then please explain to me his national championship rings with the Miami Hurricanes from the 80’s? Or maybe his D’s that were rating #1 in the country 2 years in a row at Oklahoma State. I’m with you that he might not be the best head coach, but the guy damn well knows how to coach a defense. No questions about that.
All the football players are going elsewhere in the Big East? Take a look at the recruiting this year and the 2 before it. Top rated recruiting classes? Pitt. Easily. Name a team that has another group of impact young kids like Pitt with McCoy, Romeus, Malecki, J. Thomas, Bostick, Porter, M. Williams, DeCicco, Sheard, and others?
If you want to hate, that’s fine. But at least use your own opinions, don’t rehash someone elses.
i guess from one standpoint pitt stadium was horrible… but when i watch football games, i’m there for the game. i usually get food before the game… and stay in my seat till the game is over. i don’t care about ammenities. for me… pitts stadium couldn’t have been any better.
but good points. these big 10 people crack me up. the big east is actually a mark of good conference. the competition is pretty even. thats what you want… you want good games!
The Marino era was pretty much the last of the hey day for Pitt, it also ended it 1982 I believe. Have they managed to actually go 11-1 since then? I’m pretty sure they haven’t and I haven’t found record of one.
Sure they did, but they chose to build a non-football arena in the space.
What do you consider a superstar team? Winning regular season games? bowl appearances? bowl victories? fan base? OSU, Mich, and PSU can easily compare to any other teams over the last 25 years in any of those categories which is why they all play to 100,000+ sellouts every week regardless of who they play.
The special olympics are pretty close contests also, doesn’t mean any of them are necessarily ready for the real olympics.
(Before you pitt guys get too worked up I don’t actually consider the Big East to be that far off from other conferences but still last among the BCS conferences and probably close with the WAC)
its all about perception… people think the big 10 is great but in reality its no better off than the big east. I expect to see the big 10’s golden boys, OSU, get stomped on again by the SEC.
i love how evertime someone mentions history… us pitt fans are living in the past… well history is part of the equation. u ask what pitt did in the last 25 years… i ask what PSU did in the last 100 years.
Americans don’t live in the past… they live in the what have you done for me lately… As far as Pitt having impact freshman… thats cause they have no one else to play. their depth is a problem. and the fact that people want evenly matched games and teams… thats false as well. all the BCS conferences want to name a champion with the best record. if all the games are evenly matched you would have 10-12 6-6 teams in each conference. you need to have an 11-1 team or a 10-2 team going to rep your conference. As bad as WVU really is (according to Pitt) I think they would beat most Big ten teams cause of the spread offense they run. very hard to defend hence the reason Oregon and Appalachin st. beat michigan. the bigten teams gear up for the big ten season period. the big ten championship is their championship. a bunch of 8-4 or 9-3 teams isn’t the answer.
umm lest see, bostick had to play because stull is hurt…so they have some depth there, stphens howling as a back up is a pretty solid option, a plethora of recievers, you got fields comming back on defense next year, dorrin dickerson and nate nix at LB… so where exactly is pitt lacking in depth?
people wanna watch blowouts? with exception of the team’s fans who is doing the blowout people like to watch a good game.
haha “gear up for the big ten season” give me break man. i know you guys think of the big ten as like the old NFC central “black n Blue division” but its not like that at all. any team is gonna go with what they have. So ur telling me if OSu gets Pryor they aren’t gonna go to a spread but instead “gear up for the big ten season”? Ohio state wasn’t even close to a smashmouth team with troy smith, holmes and ginn. or how about michigan when they had avant, edwards, breaston, manningham.
