do you really think you could block them and they would just stand behind the sheet and not move?
There will be plenty of people there between this and the UB group… I think it should be more than enough to cover their few picketers.
if everyone showed up before them and stood as far forward as possible so they couldnt go any closer then yes, i could see how people could block them out. but again you would need to be there before they showed up and you would need to stand where they cant get any closer without bumping someone, which can be used against them for violent protesting.
edit: also if you show up before them, possible that cops will probably be there keeping both sides away from one another seeing as im sure they know their will be a protest. so if you show up before them, and surround the place, they will need to stand further back.
You politely ask the Police officer if you can stand in front of the barrier with your back up against it. You are then in front of them.
Link to the UB Freethinkers event
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/ical/event.php?eid=50792279169
Let me know if that works or does not work
If you guys were going with the intentions of a full-on paintball assult, I would go but…
Agreed.
They will show up, and they’ll be loud enough that they’ll bother the families and friends of those affected.
Touche on the last point, though.
Still going, should be a good enough turnout to block off however many scumbags that show up.
could this be seen as a hate crime by them? seeing as they are showing up to protest/ hate against another religion.
Until they commit a crime, no. Like mentioned earlier in the thread these people are smart when it comes to knowing their rights. “Professional Assholes”, if you may.
Hey I have an idea, just casually lob grenades at the group of fuckers… No fingerprints left behind, no way of knowing who threw em.
Seriously, this group of retards has been out there disrespecting the memory of our servicemen/women fighting over in iraq and afghanistan, for years… Now theyre disrespecting the memory of innocent civilians? Their retarded ass logic is that god crashed the plane cause he hates gay people… Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Youre telling me nobody is smart enough to plan a way to off these bastards for good? Fuckin drive a bus through their little crowd for gods sake… Ignoring them will not shut them up, death will.
what if u guys did burnouts in front of them
Good idea, they can smoke 'em out.
Or. We can just kill them and call it a day.
^I went to their meeting, about 20-30 people showed up to that (when it was announced/reminded 2 hours before, not bad…), should be a nice turnout on Sunday… If you still want to join give me a PM
I’ll be there. Not sure exactly which one yet. I’ll PM when I know for sure.
That idea in the link a few posts above is almost exactly what i was talking about before. Only instead of wearing the sheets i ment like just hold them up. That way that would be high enough to block the WBC losers signs. Its peaceful and effective to block them from sight.
Message on facebook sent to everyone on the event and pretty much covers the meeting info:
NOTE: If you are receiving this message, it’s because you’re in our Facebook event group. If you would like to stop receiving messages, simply remove it from your events.
First, we’ve been receiving emails here at UB Freethinkers about the actual “Angel Action” with angel costumes, and I just wanted to pass along the contact for that, as this whole event is involving numerous different groups, of which we are but one:
If you would like to take part in the actual “Angel Action” with angel costumes, please contact Céilí Maolán at ceallach@sensiblediscussion.com. Her group is organizing that facet of the counter-protest, to include making the costumes for a cost of $12 to cover materials.
Her Facebook event pages are here:
As an avowedly secular humanist student group, UB Freethinkers is not organizing angel costumes ourselves. However, we are asking everyone involved in the event to WEAR WHITE if possible and use WHITE sheets and signs, in the spirit of solidarity with all of the groups involved.
FOR THOSE OF US FROM UB AND ELSEWHERE, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION:
-Those who need a ride from UB, we will be meeting in the Student Union lobby at 8:30am on Sunday morning, organizing car pools, and departing shortly thereafter.
-For those of you with already full cars, or departing from elsewhere around Buffalo, we plan to meet at approximately 9-9:15 in the parking lot of the elementary school at 9600 Clarence Center. PLEASE DO NOT PARK AT THE CHURCH ITSELF.
-The designated protest area for the morning event, setup by the police in Clarence, is at the corner of Clarence Center and Goodrich. We will make our way there from the elementary school at 9-9:15ish – stragglers please make your way there.
-For those at UB who can only make the afternoon event at St. Joseph’s and need a ride, The Spectrum is organizing people to depart North Campus from there, so go to their office at 132 Student Union at approximately 12:15. St. Joseph’s is right across from UB South, so the Stampede is always an option too.
-We have made a discussion topic for drivers and passengers on the Facebook page. PLEASE MAKE SURE TO CARPOOL as parking may become scarce. This event has become much larger than anticipated!
-Out of respect for the families, please dress somewhat appropriately. Out of respect for yourself, DRESS WARM. The high is expected to be around 25. If at all possible, please make an effort to WEAR WHITE. If not, that’s fine.
-If you have the burning desire to make a sign or write on your sheets/banners, please make an effort to have it be on a white background, with subdued, primary-color text, and with a simple message in support of the victims, their families, and the community, NOT A MESSAGE AGAINST THE WBC OR THEIR TACTICS. Don’t give them anything to work with that could start an argument. Our presence is enough to silently make those statements.
-If you are using bed-sheets for anything, make sure to cut small horizontal slits into them so that they don’t become sails. Also, reinforce the edges of the cuts with tape so that they don’t tear further. We all know how windy it can be in this town.
-We’ve also decided to encourage people to BRING AMERICAN FLAGS AS WELL. They cover space, look awesome in large groups, and are a subtle thorn in the side of the WBC, who regularly demonstrate by stomping on flags and incessantly protesting at the funerals of service men and women who have died serving under our flag.
NOTES ON THE WBC:
-The WBC revels in starting arguments. Upon doing so, they will scream scripture at you, among other lovely things. This would be an unnecessary disruption in a somber environment. Let the WBC be obnoxious and distasteful.
-When protesting the WBC in person, ignoring them is the best option.
-The WBC is an avowedly non-violent organization. Sweet of them, I know. They will not physically hurt you. If by some chance they touch you, there will be plenty of cops nearby eager to take them away.
-The WBC will be carrying incredibly hateful signs and yelling incredibly hateful things. Do not be shocked by anything you see or hear.
-The WBC may have brought young children with them, who will do everything listed above just the same as the adults. Again, do not be shocked by anything you see or hear.
-The WBC likes law-suits. They have made money that way in the past, which they use to fund trips around the country. Don’t give them a reason to sue.
SOME GROUND RULES, which I will reiterate:
-THIS COUNTER-PROTEST IS INTENDED TO BE PEACEFUL, NON-VIOLENT, and NON-CONFRONTATIONAL. We are there to show our support to the community, and passively do our best to block the WBC picketers from view.
-We are there to show support for the community and victim’s families, NOT TO ATTACK, ARGUE WITH, PROTEST DIRECTLY AGAINST, INTIMIDATE, OR CHASE/SCARE OFF THE WBC. They are as free to be there as we are.
-DO NOT SPEAK TO THE WBC PICKETERS
-IF YOU ACCIDENTLY DO, DO NOT CONTINUE TALKING WITH OR START ARGUING WITH THE WBC PICKETERS
-DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH THE WBC PICKETERS
-DO NOT TOUCH, PUSH, SPIT AT, OR BREATHE ON THE WBC PICKETERS
-FACE AWAY FROM THE WBC PICKETERS
-DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE WBC PICKETERS IN ANY WAY
-IGNORE THE WBC PICKETERS!!!
- DO NOT TRY TO YELL OVER THE WBC PICKETERS. Silence and presence is our power. Hopefully our bodies, banners, and signs work well to muffle their yelling
-DO NOT DISPLAY SIGNS WITH ANY MESSAGES AGAINST THE WBC OR THEIR TACTICS. Don’t give them anything to work with to foster an argument. Our presence is enough.
-DON’T DO ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY GIVE THE WBC A REASON TO SUE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE
-DO NOT BRING WEAPONS, THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE WEAPONS, THINGS THAT COULD BE OBVIOUSLY MISTAKEN FOR WEAPONS, DOGS, OR DOGS ARMED WITH WEAPONS
-DON’T GIVE THE POLICE A REASON TO DETAIN YOU, OR MAYBE EVEN TAZE YOU BRO. The law must be enforced uniformly, even if we are the good guys.
-RESPECT AND OBEY THE POLICE AND ALL POSTED SIGNS. The police are on our side here. Treat them well and they will be able to stay that way.
Finally, If you plan on doing anything that violates these rules OR common sense, either abandon those plans immediately OR DON’T SHOW UP. We don’t want to cause any undue disruption or look like animals ourselves. This is about supporting the community and the families, and making a firm statement that this hateful intrusion is not welcome in Buffalo, and will be soundly, overwhelmingly, AND PEACEFULLY confronted.
This is all we have for now, information will be updated as necessary over the weekend. PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION so everyone is on the same page. Feel free to send all questions to UBFreethinkers@gmail.com.
Great thanks to all of you!
UB Freethinkers
“Not in Buffalo, Fred!”