Thread split from WTB thread:
discussion of real (brand name parts) vs. knock off stuff
Thread split from WTB thread:
discussion of real (brand name parts) vs. knock off stuff
bar and plate is bar and plate
tube and fin is tube and fin.
Its a hunk of aluminum.
Can u show me a greddy intercooler that is significantly better than a no name one
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Same shit dude
buy a stencil
paint blitz on it
call it a day.
They are for a high hp car … the ebay intercoolers dont cut it
The ebay ones might look the same - doesnt mean that they function the same as brand name.
on a dyno is makes no difference.
Sasha did this on his s14 Race car with one of my cores after me busted up his HKS or Blitz or something… it made teh same or more power with the generic one i supplied.
same with the catbacks, the china ones can make more power because there is no resonator and basically nothing in the muffler to upset the flow… it’s just a thin hollow tube
now adays you can get just about any non-moving part “no name” and it will function EXACTLY the same as a higher end brand. you’re basically paying for the name.
WRONG …Not true for all cases
If you guys wanna debate this you can open up another thread.
yes there is a difference between an intercooler made of a different alloy, no shit. however hks and what not arent high quality like that…
is there any difference between the Megan turbo manifold and the hks manifold or the tomie? megan one is 180 and hks over $1000 and tomie over 500, oh and the elbows to, dose the brand really make a difference in these parts?
thickness of metal, type of metal, quality of welds…
you can find cracked tomei and HKS bottom mount manifolds all over the place… same wiht DC sports…
i’ll split this off into it’s own thread over the weekend to expand the discussion
Oh not arguing with that Bing and not because you’re admin_ i agree havign seen your stuff. I just have found the piping kits on some of the big brands are soo accurate comapred to the generic ebay stuff.
bings intercooler kit fit my shit mad propper.
install took like 30 minutes
good thread, will read a bit more into it.
he’s talking about a 600whp car running like 40+ psi though. Our car’s don’t do that.
I don’t think you’d ever hear me seriously state that an ebay / china part is ever 100% spot on with the best on the market, but for 95% of people and 99.9998% of 240sx owners there are many parts where there is no discernable difference. Intercooler cores would be one, some exhaust stuff, bushings, shifters etc. etc.
def not on turbos or wheel studs or suspension arms (<< Obviously)
i dont like knockoff seats…recaro/sparco/bride/corbeau are FIA aprroved
surprised noone mentioned intake manifolds…
as for turbo manifolds, dc sports website states that they use specialized welds and gas purging their manifolds. i would trust that sr20 specialist tomei do the same. this IMO, is greater quality than the megan/china manifolds, and will increase reliabilty. properly installed exhaust is key to this aswell
on the bottom mount manifolds it doesnt really have a lot to do with the welds and steel. It has more to do with the weight of the turbo and the fasteners and install and all associated parts.
If you have old engine mounts and your motor moves around a ton, and your exhaust is not properly supported by all hangers you have strong opposing forces pulling and tugging on your manifold all the time… plus the heat cycling. A Full Race manifold may withstand it… but the HKS, Tomei, DC sport stuff is not going to last forever…
The only reason why you don’t see more of them broken on the market is because so few people find value in spending $500 - $1000 on those manifolds.
There have been people on here over the years selling busted DC sport manifolds. I’ve cracked either 1 or 2 china ones… i can’t remember. One failure was a stud that stripped on the turbo flange of the manifold and one was a definite crack. but i also used to beat the living shit out of the cars over a lot of mileage. Moreover, when you use average hardware you’re going to be on and offing your turbo every year or every other year anyways so swapping a manifold becomes no biggie
My friend has an ebay intercooler and the welds are shit, and have slag in the pipes. Not a big deal if you are just running a street car, with low to mid hp.
Also, some knock off ebay shit doesn’t fit. IE SS AUTOCHROM MANI’s
There are some things that you have to go with the real deal. But there are also many things that you can easily go knock off and pass it off. A perfect example of this is aero. You can pay $1300 or more for an often crappy fitting Version Select kit, or you can buy some random knock off kit that looks identical with just as bad fitment. So with the V:S kit your paying way more money than the knockoff, for the same crap. Other things I can definately understand buying legit. Suspension etc, I can definately see buying legit.
well personally i dont care about brand names as ur just paying for a name, and usually i like to spend on $$$ quality stuff, but if i have the exact same item as the original and its a ‘knock off’ bu exact same, why the hell would i pay for brand name? So… as long as its quality why not. Money doesn’t grow on trees so I rather save if I can.
But thats the difference, they can handle 600+ whp. If you don’t need it then ya don’t waste the money.
You don’t always pay for the name either you pay for the R&D and the hours of testing that go on big names so they don’t get a bad rep. The attention to detail and the inspection they do befor it leaves thier shop. Ebay will let you inspect it and give you a hard time when they sent out a shit product.
I wouldn’t buy a cheap radiator and expect it to handle track abuse. I’m sure some parts like an intercooler will pull off the same numbers on a dyno but after hours of lapping whats more consitant.
Another big factor is materials, some of these exhaustes are super thin but still strong.
I have an r32 GTR intercooler I was running last year. I received a ebay style intercooler - it’s thicker, but it has less fins and runners (they are larger). Will I notice a difference between the two? I hear the cheap shit heatsoaks quickly.