School Shooting in CT

If you’re going to shoot people at semi close range 10-15yds? Pump shotgun? Bring two? each one would have 8+1 and you could fire buckshot which is 8-9 pellets

https://youtu.be/xq0mpk3S3sY

or buy any semi auto hand gun?

https://youtu.be/jRSDckwlG8I

or build a flame thrower like this guy?

or build a bomb like this guy?

This guy seemed to do just fine with a bolt action rifle

https://youtu.be/MAET3gFy5E8

Just quit theblue…JEBUS!

10/22

Cheap easy ammo, easy to reload, limited recoil and it shoots the same size projectile as an AR-15…

Mini-14
Mini-30

No firearms take a huge amount of time to reload.

If it takes the cops 5-10min to respond and get organized you could fire a double barrel shotgun from the 1800s and still wipe out a ton of people.

Most of these mass shooting don’t end up in a shootout between cops and the asshole doing it…The as soon as the person is challenged they usually kill themselves.

https://youtu.be/O8bJ3TLEbZw

watch out now

stop avoiding my question. you need a legal gun to commit this horrible crime. what better choice?

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why are these better?

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2741923366/m/1950096801001

because theyre not black and scary looking but ultimately a similar platform.

The pump shotgun is a more reliable better option or a handgun you can easily conceal.

The AR15 is one of the most popular rifles in the US it’s not some uncommon rare gun people seek out to commit crimes with.

Look at the FBI stats if it was this end all be all weapon the crime stats wouldn’t be 98% or whatever handguns vs rifles.

but clearly not as good if you look at the link I provided.

I just want somebody to show me a better gun or shut up about not understanding why people are going after these (regardless of if they want them banned or not). I don’t want them banned, but I understand why people are picking these and it’s not because they are black.

AR15 just stands out as the clear choice unless you’re just trying to be argumentative.

If you really want to have this debate why wouldn’t they use AKs? Much cheaper and more reliable then AR along with firing a much larger bullet?

LZ, I applaud your efforts, albeit in vain.

looks like you can’t go wrong with either really.

“Where the AR-15 has finesse, the AK-47 makes up the difference with its sheer simplicity”

Looks like you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about :lol:

Now quick change the fucking subject

I gave you example that is just as readily available, fires a large caliber bullet, and is more reliable.

Why are you guys arguing over what would probably be used in a mass killing when a 30 second google search can tell you what is used.

Survey says…

http://assets.motherjones.com/interactives/projects/2012/12/updated-mass-shootings/final_weapons2.png

Handguns by almost 2:1 over assault weapons.

AK is more durable, projectile is larger and the projectile tumbles ripping and causing more damage than an AR. Not that I think either should be banned…just sayin.

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You throwing up an similar type gun that would also likely be banned at the same time doesn’t give you a win. Are my links wrong, I’m not gun owner, but I see people talking logically about guns and it appears to make sense.

Fry is more on point, but if I was playing an online game I’d take the AR over the pistol for getting more kills.

What determines the outcome of all these shootings is how fast the person is confronted by police.

After Columbine police changed how they respond to incidents like this instead of waiting around outside they get people moving in as fast as possible.

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You said FIND A BETTER GUN and I did.

“well that is similar”

The only thing similar is the fact it takes a magazine and is semi auto.

AR 15s are expensive, not always known for greatest reliability, and fire a smaller caliber bullet then most rifles.

You’re wrong because your speculation conflicts with facts. You’re talking about banning guns to prevent mass killings, and the facts show that semi-automatic hand guns are used twice as often as the guns you want to ban.

and that’s it’s a lightweight long barrel gun and so on. it’s obviously going to always be a military use/style weapon or the military is using the wrong stuff.

fry, my point right now is not about what to ban, it’s about the best legal choice for a mass shooting. I don’t think a ban will work and I don’t want one.

I 100% agree that banning AR/AK won’t really stop this sort of thing in America.