Smoking Ban injunction

[kilmer420]

@beat90tsi

Not really, it is proven to make offspring less healthy. Also, tobacco is taxed and some of the proceeds go to health-care, is there a fatty food tax that I missed? Obesity is increasing health-care costs more than anything else. Don’t tell me it doesn’t affect anyone else.

yes, it’s called paying for gym membership that you never attend

[beat90tsi]

@bics56

So it is quite simple…smoking in public does affect other people around you in a negative way and YES a law can be made against it…so shut the fuck up and deal with

A law can be made against motorcycles, but that doesn’t make it right. Some people on here are interested in preserving some of the freedoms that made this country great. Some others, like you, would prefer to ignore the events taking place around them, and just deal with the consequences. That attitude is what got us a bankrupt social security system and a 2-party political system. So maybe instead of telling people to STFU, you should get a clue and get involved.

[bics56]

@beat90tsi

A law can be made against motorcycles, but that doesn’t make it right. Some people on here are interested in preserving some of the freedoms that made this country great. Some others, like you, would prefer to ignore the events taking place around them, and just deal with the consequences. That attitude is what got us a bankrupt social security system and a 2-party political system. So maybe instead of telling people to STFU, you should get a clue and get involved.

Ok first off I have no desire to get into this debate. But I will just state my point and leave it at that. Everyone has their own view on the subject and here is mine. You state “preserving some of the freedoms that make this country so great” but when what you do can affect other people in a negative way, then there needs to be rules to avoid that. This has been going on forever and I think it is about time for the “smoking ban” law to be set in place. Smoking around people in the long haul is bad for someone’s health so what’s so wrong to tell people they cannot smoke in places where the smoke is confined and will be inhaled by others around you? Every bar i go to is nothing but a huge cloud of smoke and it would be nice to not have to breath that in if I want to go and get some wings and beer with a few friends.

Also what’s with the “Some others, like you, would prefer to ignore the events taking place around them, and just deal with the consequences.” comment?

Just because i agree with a law that is being put in place means I am ignoring the events around me? No it simply means I agree with it…I don’t agree with all the laws but in the I “shut the fuck up and i deal with it” because I know that in the end nearly all the laws are put in place to protect people in general.

[VdubSPEEDracer]

@beat90tsi

A law can be made against motorcycles, but that doesn’t make it right. Some people on here are interested in preserving some of the freedoms that made this country great. Some others, like you, would prefer to ignore the events taking place around them, and just deal with the consequences. That attitude is what got us a bankrupt social security system and a 2-party political system. So maybe instead of telling people to STFU, you should get a clue and get involved.

tru dat too:bigthumb:

[01CobraSVT]

@beat90tsi

A law can be made against motorcycles, but that doesn’t make it right. Some people on here are interested in preserving some of the freedoms that made this country great. Some others, like you, would prefer to ignore the events taking place around them, and just deal with the consequences. That attitude is what got us a bankrupt social security system and a 2-party political system. So maybe instead of telling people to STFU, you should get a clue and get involved.

Good point, I bet if the gov were to introduce a ban on every car capable of going faster than 65mph or limit it’s speed to 65mph through the manufacturing process people on this site would be extremely pissed off, because after all there is no need to go any faster, that is the fastest posted speed limit in PA. Going any faster than that could cause you to crash and kill yourself or someone else. After all big brother is only doing this becasue they care about you:doh:

[beat90tsi]

@01CobraSVT

Good point, I bet if the gov were to introduce a ban on every car capable of going faster than 65mph or limit it’s speed to 65mph through the manufacturing process people on this site would be extremely pissed off, because after all there is no need to go any faster, that is the fastest posted speed limit in PA. Going any faster than that could cause you to crash and kill yourself or someone else. After all big brother is only doing this becasue they care about you:doh:

Truth…because anyone who speeds endangers the lives of others. And it’s a lot worse than smoking because the death can be instantaneous. It’s a good thing our government protects us from everything bad.

[Cutrara]

@beat90tsi

I don’t want a tax or a
I think the government should stop taking my money and using it to babysit me. If I don’t like the smell of smoke, I’ll avoid it, if I want to smoke, I will. The government doesn’t need to help me with that. The amount of tax dollars they waste on useless crap like this should disturb and anger any hard-working American.

agreed… the government does need to regulate what you breath. you can do this yourself, the government deciding this for you is a slap in the face, as if you’re too stupid to figure out which bar to walk into.

someone compared it to the riding bikes in walmart thing. Bars and restaurants should regulate this themselves.

[JackdUp]

@01CobraSVT

…I bet if the gov were to introduce a ban on every car capable of going faster than 65mph or limit it’s speed to 65mph…

I’d find a way around it, just like all of you.

@beat90tsi

…That attitude is what got us a bankrupt social security system and a 2-party political system.

Jon, think about the following statement for a minute:

@bics56

…when what you do can affect other people in a negative way, then there needs to be rules (JackdUp: I’d rather have the words “common sense” placed here instead of rules, but it’s the same kind of thing?) to avoid that.

Actually, Libertarian beliefs are sort of along these lines: If you do something and it doesn’t affect someone else, then enjoy/do it. Otherwise, repect the other people and don’t do it/don’t do it around them.

Bics, you’re not that far off of what Libertarians believe, you just think that regulations are the answer where Libertarians believe common sense and respect for fellow man is/are the answer(s).

[bics56]

@JackdUp

I’d find a way around it, just like all of you.

Jon, think about the following statement for a minute:

Actually, Libertarian beliefs are sort of along these lines: If you do something and it doesn’t affect someone else, then enjoy/do it. Otherwise, repect the other people and don’t do it/don’t do it around them.

Bics, you’re not that far off of what Libertarians believe, you just think that regulations are the answer where Libertarians believe common sense and respect for fellow man is/are the answer(s).

I think regulations are put in place to make sure common sense and respect are practiced. W/o regulations you would have a bunch of animals running around doing whatever they wanted and not give one shit about other people. But yes I am a very logical/common sense person

[Darkstar]

@fshowcars

i guess if you are trying to make a point you can pretend home ownership is the same as business ownership… but it’s not.

you can cook old garbage and eat it at home and serve it to your friends… you can’t cook garbage and give it to the public in your establishment.

there are tons and tons of examples i can give you about fire exits, capacity, bathrooms, lighting ect. ect.ect… so no, it’s not the same, not that i agree or disagree with you, but i would guess that’s why there are different codes for building such places… the whole point of the smoking ban is healthcare… regardless of it being a skewed misguided attempt, it is to promote better health and enviroment for all people… a ‘gross invasion’ of privacy for a higher reason(whether personally determined right or wrong)… hummmmmm anything from history come to mind

you make some interesting points. However, I still feel like its a pretty empty gesture. People don’t get any ill effects from the second hand smoke in bars.

[Darkstar]

@bics56

Fact is anything public the govt has a right to set rules…mainly to help protect others. So I don’t want to hear that shit about if I own a bar and I own a house it is the same thing.

are you serious? Just wait until they ban motocross bikes because of their emissions. I wonder if you’ll be singing the same tune then.

[Darkstar]

@bics56

Ok first off I have no desire to get into this debate. But I will just state my point and leave it at that. Everyone has their own view on the subject and here is mine. You state “preserving some of the freedoms that make this country so great” but when what you do can affect other people in a negative way, then there needs to be rules to avoid that. This has been going on forever and I think it is about time for the “smoking ban” law to be set in place. Smoking around people in the long haul is bad for someone’s health so what’s so wrong to tell people they cannot smoke in places where the smoke is confined and will be inhaled by others around you? Every bar i go to is nothing but a huge cloud of smoke and it would be nice to not have to breath that in if I want to go and get some wings and beer with a few friends.

Also what’s with the “Some others, like you, would prefer to ignore the events taking place around them, and just deal with the consequences.” comment?

Just because i agree with a law that is being put in place means I am ignoring the events around me? No it simply means I agree with it…I don’t agree with all the laws but in the I “shut the fuck up and i deal with it” because I know that in the end nearly all the laws are put in place to protect people in general.

OMG someone is doing something else that mildly effects someone in a negative way!!! WE MUST LEGISLATE!!!

Yesterday I stepped in some dog shit in my yard. I dont have a dog. Lets ban dogs.

SleeperGTP posted some jibberish that gave me a massive headache trying to decipher… let’s ban stupidity.

My cock hurts from beating off to so much lesbian porno. Lets ban pornography!

The government has more important things to worry about than legislating against “mild annoyances”.

[Darkstar]

@Cutrara

agreed… the government does need to regulate what you breath. you can do this yourself, the government deciding this for you is a slap in the face, as if you’re too stupid to figure out which bar to walk into.

someone compared it to the riding bikes in walmart thing. Bars and restaurants should regulate this themselves.

This is a capitalistic society. If people really wanted non-smoking bars, we’d have them due to a DEMAND for them. No legislation needed.

[JackdUp]

@Darkstar

…Yesterday I stepped in some dog shit in my yard. I dont have a dog. Lets ban dogs.

I have that same problem, recurring poop…so I put up a little flag that said “Please clean up after your animals” smack down into the middle of the poop logs.

Problem solved, no poop recently. See, that didn’t take massive legislation…oh, wait, there is a rule where I live against leaving dog shit lying around. How much good did it do for me? zip. zero. nada.

But common sense and respect for other people and their property prevailed, as it always should.

[rookee]

have they banned the blacks and retarded yet? seriously whats taking so long