Smoking Ban

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06187/703702-114.stm

The Allegheny County Board of Health wants to ban smoking in all public places.

It has devised a two-pronged approach to reach that goal. It will:

Lobby legislators for a statewide ban.

Come up with a county ban, perhaps by the board’s November meeting, if the state can’t be persuaded to act quickly.

“The board uniformly agrees that secondhand smoke is a major health risk for people and that something needs to be done from a health perspective to reduce that risk,” Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dixon said yesterday.

A report issued last week by the U.S. surgeon general about the dangers of secondhand smoke exposure, new tobacco-free regulations in Philadelphia and Harrisburg and the Pennsylvania Restaurant Association’s recent about-face in support of a uniform ban underscore the significance of the issue, the board said.

Although the members would prefer statewide action, they’re prepared “to move forward independently if they can’t convince the Legislature to do something,” Dr. Dixon said.

Still, the board’s vote yesterday was not unanimous. All four health professionals on the board and environmental attorney Paul King supported it.

Board member and county Manager Jim Flynn, who along with Al Ahmed opposed it, and the Rev. Ricky Burgess, who abstained, contended that pushing state legislators to enact a ban is more likely to succeed than crafting a local regulation.

A county ban could be on shaky legal ground because of a clause in the Clean Indoor Air Act that would pre-empt local ordinances, they said.

“I wanted to make the going after the state representatives the primary emphasis,” Mr. Burgess said after the meeting. “We can always later determine the legality of a local ordinance, but I think the statewide pressure can happen almost immediately and have significant impact.”

When he said as much during the board’s discussion, Dr. Lee Harrison, who put forward the motion, countered by saying, “We should have a dual-track approach, period. To say one is more important than the other is actually irrelevant because we can do both at the same time.”

Local action could put more pressure on state government, especially if multiple municipalities pursue bans simultaneously, Dr. Harrison noted.

Marcia Goodman-Hinnershitz, who sits on the city council of Reading, Berks County, has been spearheading an effort to enact a local smoking ban. The city’s health department is expected within a month to draft a resolution that she will introduce to a council committee.

An ordinance proposal could be on the table by the end of the summer, she said. The city’s solicitor would then review it with the preemption clause in mind and advise the council whether they can proceed.

The councilwoman said she feels tempted to push forward with local legislation regardless of pre-emption concerns just to see what happens.

“Would anyone really bother to challenge the pre-emption?” Ms. Goodman-Hinnershitz said. “I’ve been encouraging other city councils in various municipalities to start at least moving something forward because that then brings to the forefront the problem with the state law.”

Philadelphia is exempt from the pre-emption clause, and Pittsburgh would be, too. Mayor Bob O’Connor has said that he supports a statewide or regional policy because a citywide ban could give restaurant and tavern owners in the rest of the county an unfair advantage.

Harrisburg’s effort to ban smoking in city workplaces could be the “test case” that clears up some of the confusion about the pre-emption clause, said Cindy Thomas, executive director of TobaccoFree Allegheny, a nonprofit organization supported by the Allegheny County Health Department.

“It’s a start,” she said of the health board’s plan.

Despite its debate, there was “no contention on the fact that we need a ban on smoking in public places,” Dr. Harrison said. “But how to proceed is definitely in question.”

Advocacy organization SmokeFree Pennsylvania petitioned county council to vote on an ordinance it proposed that would ban smoking in workplaces. Last week, County Council Chief Clerk John Mascio deemed the petition insufficient because County Solicitor Michael Wojcik said the proposal would be preempted by the state Clean Indoor Air Act, said SmokeFree’s executive director Bill Godshall.

But the solicitor’s approval is not needed for an agenda initiative petition, and the organization will appeal the decision, he said.

County officials “have misused, abused their authority by having veto power before the council can consider anything,” Mr. Godshall said. In other business, the health board deferred until its September meeting discussion and vote on a regulation to guide needle exchange programs. Concerns about preserving anonymity and disease reporting need to be further addressed.

This would be great. I would love to be able to go out to a bar/club and not come back smelling like an ashtray. Smokers are weaksauce. It makes me sick.

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yeah… they should ban everything that individuals dislike :rolleyes:

stupid… what a waste

fuck smokers…ban it

bout time

i dont care either way. once this is over they will move on to the next thing that people like doing and try to ban that. although i will say it would be nice to come back from the bar and not smell like smoke.

if smelling like smoke is what most of you worry about most, then i envy you… i like going to the race track and coming home smelling like burnt tires and race gas… does that mean that everyone should do burnouts and run race fuel (that’d be cool wouldn’t it?) - point being, fuck my personal opinion, as well as yours :wink:

if you people are truly that against smoking, then why are you goign to a business (your bars and clubs) and feeding them your money? they allow smoking, and usually condone it (by selling cigs) so whats the deal? they are obviously in it for the money aspect, not to make you happy and listen to your likes and dislikes.

it’s all bullshit! i don’t know why anyone would be FOR a city-wide ban of anything… why don’t bar / club owners jsut make their establishments non-smoking?

local gov is just jacked that they aren’t getting more and more kickbacks from tobacco companies and are getting on board with the ‘clean-air act’ in a desperate attempt to get more FREE money rolling into the local government.

it’s beat!

i agree with fshowcars

It would be sweet, but it doesnt do jack for me up here in butler. I agree that it would be nice to go to a bar and not choke on smoke all night. I smoke pot, and that is bad enough, but to add unfiltered cig smoke to it really kills.

f smoking, ban it ftw.

Although I agree with what you are saying, our local government needs more free money. The city is in major debt, we are continuing to spend like crazy, the controller somehow still has his job, and the conditions of where we live aren’t changing much in a positive or negative way. This ban will help with some polutions aspects (although minor) it will. This will also keep less people in the bars to be honest, as most will say eff it, I can’t smoke, then I won’t go to the bar. Others, will just smoke outside the bar. But, the issue is that our city is poor and they are just looking for another way to pump more money, I blame it all on the Mayor’s office. They spent so much on the 2 new stadiums (don’t get me wrong, i really like them) but fiscally that was inappropriate for the city to go through. Now we have this to help us aid the poorly managed city of pittsburgh, from a financial standpoint.

obviously i was pointing it out as the true motive! i think that’s bullshit and that they can find another ‘avenue’ to get free $ that doesn’t have this kind of effect on the individuals ‘rights’.

agreed… and although I am a smoker… when i try to quit… it really irritates me to smell it. So it would be nice to be able to go somewhere that is truely smoke free. But all that means is people will be standing in front of the doors smoking so you have to walk thru it.

fuck smokers’ rights…what about the right not having to smell/breath that shit…what the fuck is the point of smoking anyhow? Light something on fire and breath in the smoke…now pot I can see you get fucked up

The nicotine gives you a high… just nto the same high as Pot

ehh is the nicotine worth it…cant be that great…oh well dont really matter…but I know down in FL there is no smoking in Bars and Restaurants and it was really nice

If there really looking for money wouldnt they just go with the casino’s that they were talking about? Truth, what fshocars says though, if people or establisments didnt want you to smoke they wouldnt. Simple as that, its just gonna piss more people off now just due the gov. says you cant. So now, its not freedom of choice of where you can smoke or not smoke. And if they really want people to quit smoking, why not quit making f*cking tabbacco products? I know I wouldnt smoke if they didnt make them. Hell while there banning smoking in places why not drinking? I mean how many people die from drunk drivers? My point is wtf is up with the gov. once they do this you know a couple years down the road its gonna be something else.

DING DING DING… We have a winner

personally i enjoy being able to breath in public places so go for it.

personally i enjoy being able to breath in public places so go for it.