Ahh okay, thanks Stephan. I’d rep if I could.
I wish I could drift my wagon.
/pjb
You probably could, wouldn’t hurt to try it out at an event.
Once I get a new driveshaft/lsd diff/axles I think I might. I drift like god damn PRO in the snow, I know that much…
:lol
Drift it! I will get my Z running and drift it.
the wagon drifting would be a pretty cool sight
I hate the style/look too.
Most of the stretches you see are a proper fit for that tire. For example, 215/40 can be safely mounted on an 8-8.5" wheel per the manufacturers specifications.
It’s just so you can put cool wide wheels on a car with relatively stock fenders.
I am sure it was for a good reason when it first “started”, then some follower said “Huh my car is almost modded to the point of that guys, so if I put the same tire setup on mine, people will think its just as modded as his…” Just like everything we call a trend. You get a few good eggs, slwrthnu for example, who supports the trends yet has a NEED to do so… aka his cars have always been done right and had a necessity to adhere to said trends to make it all “work”. Then, as with everything, there are the tards that cant lead the race they follow, then take it way too far… see -29 deg camber, 125 40 tires on a $4000 set of 16" wide wheels, so ridiculous to get attention it makes the real players look like idiots too.
More or less, there are good reasons to do it moderately that are tarnished by idiots doing it for pointless reasons other than “just becasue”.
what you forget is most “major drift cars” are pretty big hp cars as well, so like stephon said, the less camber/more contact the better as far as traction is concerned, especially with that much power to the ground. On lower hp cars, it makes breaking traction that much easier.
It mostly is a style thing, that and a fitment thing. To have a flush wheel on a low car stretching the tire helps it fit in the wheel well better.
Why I lol when all these stretched and aggressive camber kids try to tell me it wont wear their tires any faster than a properly aligned car.
well stretching tires and camber alone doesn’t wear tires any faster. Toe wears tires, camber just makes them wear on one side more than the other.
and what is a ‘proper’ alignment, exactly? :rofl
you can run -10* camber, and as long as your toe is perfectly parallel they won’t necessarily wear MORE, they’ll just wear the insides faster than the outsides. same amount of wear as you’d get across a tire with 0 camber and parallel toe, only isolated to one part of the tire instead of the whole thing.
They don’t really wear faster, as long as the toe is normal. They do wear faster because we usually just mash the loud pedal everywhere :rofl
FORREAL
I WEAR MY TURRS EVEN AS HELL DAWG
I should try drifting the bird. My rear camber is maxed out at 0* which is a lot for my platform. Im on 285s with plenty of power. I would really love to ride with one of you nuts sometime. That would be a blast!
As for stretched tires. It’s another bling factor baller thing. like I have sooo much money I don’t care if I curb a thousand dollar wheel and that my fender filets my side wall on every expansion joint. Hell, I don’t even care the the paint is completely removed from my inner fenders and quarters. I wont rust cause the tire will polish it clean again tomorrow. But really it’s a trend.
10 years ago every civic, accord, and neon had a huge fiber glass or sheet metal 3 element spoiler and a DC knock off muffler clamped on. I feel stretched tires have a lot more taste than APC windshield banners and body kits with sheet rock screws.
As for performance, I can see how a little bit of stretch could make a 45 series tire feel and work like a 40 or 35 series. Obviously it works for the drift guys. I’m not sure what you sideways individuals run for tire pressure but I assume a 185/75R14 on a 5 inch rim would probably be on the side wall the way you guys drive and may even come off the bead. For racing tho. You dont see Formula 1 cars on stretched tires. Though that is a apples to oranges comparison.
Any one with an older Ford Ranger/Explorer or S10 knows how toe out will burn thru tires!
Actually stretching rubber is common practice in both amateur and professional racing. Not to the extent that you see in stanceworks and whatnot obviously, but for most tires a narrow tire on a wide wheel feels much better than a wide tire on a narrow wheel.
and amateur porn
:rofl
tread wear facts.
Lots of neg camber: the contact patch is reduced (duhh it wears more on one side than the other right), until the wear on the inside’s depth equals the void between the ground and the outside contact patch hovering above it, the vehicle is supported on a reduced surface area. When the inside wears to the point the outside is touching the ground again, the camber is killing the tire.
A tire is supporting the weight and movement of a car. Tires wear due to friction. Friction is increased when the same forces are applied to a smaller surface area. IE “its easier to break loose a low hp drift car with more camber”… proves above theory. Look at heat readings on race car tires, you can see strips of different heat ranges from the contact patches changing.
Even if you never broke loose and spun the tires, an uneven tread wear from camber will eat a tire sooner than one riding on the contact patch across the tire evenly.
Toe in/out INCREASES the tire wear, on a car cambered flat, neg or pos. Doesn’t matter, its an entirely different variable. If you can picture the lugs on a tire, with tow in or out, the lugs are twisting one way or another as the tires rolls across the surface. They will twist to a point that it stops twisting, and now that force is more or less skidding across the lug, wearing it down. Also the twisting forces on the lugs further increases friction, heat builds, etc… eating the tire even more. This is also proven when top speeds are reduced slightly from excessive toe adjustments, increased friction and drag more or less the car has to over come to move itself forward. Lastly the tow is working against the cars direction of travel. Toe in helps turn in but makes for twitchy straight line tracking. Toe out takes away turn in but stabilizes straight line tracking.
//i know it all. dont fight me. LOL