sticky front tires and crappy tires on the rears. whatever is the better pair of the 2 should go on the front and just practise practise and practise and dont fall into any ditches caughblade* caugh*
here we go again with the ditch thing… its ok mr. t-bone lol but yes he is right about the tires…
crappy pair in the rear to lose traction easy and learn how to control oversteer. just try doing drift circles to start off then after try 90 degree turns around a pylon left or right hand turns on streets “if you’re willing to break stuff and fix it” then figure 8’s around 2 pylons. after you have gotten better try with all round good tread tires.
thats my little 2cents for the day. in general i think anywhere you go for info will have similar info.
Tire pressure is vital as well… You can’t run those typical everyday driving 36 psi. And depends on what car and its handling characteristics, the front and rear psi cannot be the same…
You need to reduce sidewall flex, and have maximum surface area.
My summer performance tires are rated 51 psi. I run 46 front and 49 rear to get a bit more tail happy. For grip, I would run 48 front and 49 rear. I hate sidewall flex!!!
nice point you brang up david i forgot all about that. lol :R
don’t get too shitty tires in the rear, otherwise you’ll do lots of spin outs
if you want to get rid of sidewall you should stretch tires. pumping up the tires is also bad for the tires if you drift on them. some tires will belt and chunk at higher psi like my federal 595s. i find running a low psi like 28psi is good because you have to account for heat temperatures of the track. that significantly heats up the tires and takes a toll on the tires.
if sidewall flex is a issue, get better tires or stretch them to reduce sidewall flex. if you run 55 sidewall or higher, you can’t expect much from them.
running higher psi is like pumping them to a balloon. you make less grip and if you use crappy tires, it significantly reduces grip.
i say just run crappy tires to begin with if you are a beginner, but pump them to normal pressures. drifting is about grip, and when you need the grip its there.
just my 2cents
PS: pumping tires more than 40psi COLD is actually reducing the surface area of the tires. having low pressure increases surface area and hence the better grip at lower pressures.
lol you know from experience. get some monster sticky tires for your car you have no problem breaking traction!
well isnt learning to control a car with massive oversteer good in the long run? i mean so you know how react to a car about to spin i.e learn how to correct it and prevent it from spinning out?
Well said… but then there’s a little misinformation there. Manufacturer rates the tire PSI when they’re cold, they’ve already accounted for the increase in pressure in heat. I run 45 sidewall and the flex still pisses me off when i’m going sideways. I’m pretty sure even with my 48-49 psi, i still get full surface area due to the flex.
As for belting and chunking… I’ve experienced differently. Remember Chris K’s yokohamas? it peeled right off in a big ass belt. That was due to underpressure not overpressure. Overpressure is an entirely different concept in tirewear…
I know people run like 28 psi on they’re uber low profile tires, they’re just doing that to have more ride comfort for street driving. and their already low profile makes up for the sidewall stiffness.
hrmm that’s weird.
at fabi i pumped my kumho 712s to around 25-28 COLD and they lasted the whole track day with some tread left. mind you, these were only 70%. as for my federal 595s pumped to 40psi, they got eaten right thru with stops at every lap at the TMP event. These were NEW tires too. Fabi i drifted constantly and took breaks every 20mins for cooldowns. I will experiment next season, but for me lower pressures work best, and i have more grip when needed.
also,i think it depends what tire you are running. i think high end rubber is good for lower pressures and actually prolongs the life of the tire. but everyone’s experiences are different.
btw, what yokohomas were chris k using? ES100? If so, ES100s suck after 50% and they belt and chunk and get mad greasy after a while.
Some tires don’t stay together well when drifting. i think chris k’s issue may have been just the tire itself, since ES100s are known to belt and chunk. i say try another tire, and keep it at lower psi’s.
if you’re worried about sidewall flex. stretch tires. what width are your rims? and how wide are the tires?
if you got 18x9s stretch a 225 or 215.
if you got 18x8 stretch 215 or 205
try the stretch out, thats the main reason why ppl stretch tires. reduces sidewall flex to almost nil.
PS: i don’t think your getting FULL contact patch with 48-49psi if the tire is rated max 50-51. you will wear out the center of the tire before the sides, meaning the sides aren’t being fully used. im almost certain at 48-49 psi you arnt using all of the tire, because your pumping them up too much, it helps with breaking traction as well, and thats why ppl overinflate their tires. read up on different forums, most ppl drift with lower psi. i could be wrong, but i’ll look into it.
Well, there’s also tire wear issue which varies from manufacturer and how hard its driven on.
Chris K was using the ES100 on the fronts, yes pretty shitty to belt when it’s not even 50% yet. he got pretty pissed especially when he bought them new. lol
As for my tire and rim width. I run 245/45/18 rear and 225/45/18 front. rim width is 8" all around. No stretching or whatever. But they’re OEM sizes and they’re easier to get used from other 350z/G35 owners so I just run those. But one pair of my rims is 8.5" wide and I ran the 245/45, I noticed a little bit more sidewall rigidity, but then not enough.
FYI, running at 48-49 PSI has never yielded me wearing out the center. I’ve always worn pretty evenly at track and on the streets. I’ll even take some pics later to show u, I still have them in my basement.
Oh, higher PSI also gives the car more stability. I feel much better going wangan on the highway with a 48 psi than with 35 psi (winter tires)
exactly, they were ES100s which suck for drifting. they are poorly made and fall apart easily. so that situation was explained because of the poor tire choice.
and for 245 on a 8" wide rim, no wonder you get so much sidewall flex. the max i would run would be 235 on an 8" wide rim. try running a 215 or even 225 on the rears, and 215 for the front. 205 is a perfect FIT (not stretch) on a 7" wide rim on my s14 rims. i’ve learned that if you want grip, don’t up the size of the tire on that same rim. you gotta get wider rims and wider larger tires so you don’t sacrifice handling. i use to run 225 on my 7" wide rim and it was crap, so i got myself 17x9 rims and now running 225, but i would like to run 215 wide tires.
but 245 are monster tires and are not necessary unless you are running 12-13" WIDE rims (for drifting), or have 400hp +. OR are drag racing.
i can guarnatee you that is why you are feeling so much slop. i can bet any money 215 would be perfect for your 8" wide rims. 225 would be alright, but not perfect. 245 is just out of the question. trust me on this one david, i know my tire setups =D
and yes, even if it came like that OEM setup, that setup isn’t meant for drifting.
PS: the reason why you like overinflated tires is because the tires you are running on your 8" wide rims are too big for the rim, and that factor is directly related to why you like running higher psi. if you had the proper setup with less slop, you would enjoy the lower psi. i can bet any money that you have a good 1-2" tire slop hanging from your rims. the tire and rim should be completely flush if you want AVERAGE handling.
all i can say is, stretch tires ftw!
lol, but i want wider tires!! I wanna own sasha drifting on 265’s!!!
I actually find my tires still not enough grip for drifting even on the 245’s. So I want wider tires and need more grip. That’s why I just run OEM setup. Since I can’t afford any wider rims other than OEM, that’s just about as wide as I can go. OEM tires are cheap too… so that’s just about the size I can go. lol
P.S. You’re a stretched tire freak!
hahahahah
well you gotta pay to play man. can’t put tires on rims that won’t be a good fit, you just reduce handling. Then by overinflating them reduces the quality of the tire. so its a lose lose situation either way. save up and get some nice rims that are like 18x10 or something, then we’re talking!
235 or 245 would be good then!
david, stop spending money on gas cause of your heavy foot, and get some rimz0rz!!!
hahhahah
thats why you pay people to mount them or use a beadblaster to stretch tires.
you have to know what your doing before attempting to do so.
215 on a 9J rim would be sufficient, but i’ve seen some people run 205 on a 9J or even 9.5J
its for performance and show factor. when people stretch tires, they don’t care if you can poke through the tire more easily. when your drifting/racing, thats the last thing you care about.
read up on stretching tires, there are definate performance/handling gains.
ps: when you drift, you eat the shit out of any tire. if you want prolonged life out of your tires, stick to daily driving.
now now ladies… as it was stated “everyone has their own experiances and oppinions”
djpyro: samson knows about the risks but he is keen to his tire set up since he is a drift nut. its not like he missed your point its just that he does what he has to to get his own max performance out of something without over doing it. i understand that you’re warning people to not outrageously over do it but hey people dont like to listen they learn on their own. alteast you would be able to say i told you so if anythign does happen to anyone… :R but samson does understand what you’ve explained.
samson: you and your tire set ups i know what you’re talking about one of the magz i have had a whole issue on stretch tires and also shaving tires. the one that got me good was shaving the tires i was like WTF!?!?!?!? :C
breathes in, breathes out
Before you attempt to prove me wrong, please lose the attitude and approach me like a real man. My post was not an insult to you, so please don’t TRY to insult me by putting words in my mouth. I’ll start off my explanation so other memebers can also understand the WHOLE truth, instead of the partial truth.
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I never encouraged over stretching tires like your statement “195 on a 10 inch rim”
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The most i said was to run a 225 on a 9J rim or even a 9.5J rim, which is more than safe.
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Your story had no relevance to my prior posts with XuperXero since i never told him to insanely stretch his tires. If you just posted it to inform people for the heck of it, ok thanks for sharing.
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You missed my points of those who do run stretch tires do it also for SHOW factor and Clearance issues, which go hand in hand together.
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The most i have said is “i have seen ppl do a 205 on a 9J or even 9.5J rim” so please don’t absurdly shout out stupid stuff like “HEY DUDE, I’M RUNNING A 195 ON A 10” RIM! I’M SO JDM TYTE!"
By saying that, i already know you don’t know much about drift setups. Because you work at a tire shop, doesn’t mean you know everything to do with tires. There are so many factors outside the box that a regular tire shop would not know of, unless exposed to extreme circumstances (like drift setups and such)
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Who said ANYTHING about even touching the outer part of the tire (the shoulder as you put it)?
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When stretching tires, there is a show factor and also clearence factors. that i mentioned. People do it so they can be flush or tuck their tires. When you do so, you HAVE to run neg camber. Do you know what neg camber is? Do you know how it works? Do you NOW understand why your post is irrelevant to this DRIFT conversation?
Stretching tires and neg camber go hand in hand. A drifter with a proper drift setup will never touch the outer part of the tire UNLESS he is running 0 camber or even positive camber, which is very very unlikely. Reason? Because of looks. Plain and simple.
Therefore, a DRIFTER will not run on the SHOULDER of the sidewall because of the neg camber he/she is running, meaning what you said is absolutely irrelevant to this converstaion since there is no extreme contact with the shoulder.
People have been doing it for years and continue to do it because of the many gains they receive. If it was unsafe, people would not do it and therefore, this trend would have stopped before you even touched a tire.
Now i hope you understand why its still safe to run a stretch tire if the purposes are for drifting and if you have the right setup. Even so, i have never encouraged a “195 on a 10 inch wide rim”. So please, don’t put words in my mouth and please do some research before you come and make lame statements which obviously show you don’t know what your talking about.
Btw, this was a drift conversation meaning all this stretch tire talk only applies to drifters.
Point Proven. The End
Play nice ladies 
hahaha… it’s too much fun to floor it 
I NEED MORE POWER!!!
No point getting anything for the Z right now. might get rid of it =S
P.S. Dude… this is like the ONLY thread that u participate in… nice coming from a moderator. haha
hahahah when you have a kid, you’ll understand why i don’t have the time. i think rick may know very soon tho!
and thanks for quoting that. it showed that i said 235 or 245 on a 10J rim. not a stupid 195 bullshit crap.
=D
we gotta chill man, its christmas break!