The Be All-End All Religion Debate Thread! version.ON-Topic

“Turkana Boy”, Homo erectus (or Homo ergaster)
Discovered by Kamoya Kimeu in 1984 at Nariokotome near Lake Turkana in Kenya (Brown et al. 1985; Leakey and Lewin 1992; Walker and Leakey 1993; Walker and Shipman 1996). This is an almost complete skeleton of an 11 or 12 year old boy, the only major omissions being the hands and feet. (Some scientists believe erectus matured faster than modern humans, and that he was really about 9 years old (Leakey and Lewin 1992).) It is the most complete known specimen of erectus, and also one of the oldest, at 1.6 million years. The brain size was 880 cc, and it is estimated that it would have been 910 cc at adulthood. The boy was 160 cm (5’3") tall, and would have been about 185 cm (6’1") as an adult. This is surprisingly tall, indicating that many erectus may have been as large as modern humans. Except for the skull, the skeleton is very similar to that of modern boys, although there are a number of small differences. The most striking is that the holes in his vertebrae, through which the spinal cord goes, have only about half the cross-sectional area found in modern humans. One suggested explanation for this is that the boy lacked the fine motor control we have in the thorax to control speech, implying that he wasn’t nearly as fluent a speaker as modern humans are (Walker and Shipman 1996).

umm thsi isnt only a skull is it… and its 1.6 million years old.

did you also hear it was “talk like a pirate day”???
because i seriously did :offtopic: <– i know

again read the last 2 paragraphs no a chose excerpt

thats not a chose excerpt. that is to prove that they dont only find skulls.

no kidding I am not blind I can see some of them are closer to complete but none are totally complete. if carbon dating is so correct then why is their always peices to the skeleton missing?

ok i just started thinking about this. if the bible is a book and so is harry potter does that mean that everything in harry potter is true. should we start a church or religion called potterism? with you midset i could start a religion based on a porn mag. maybe we should start woshiping and settinmg up churches aimed at hugh hefner and larry flint. Or better yet start calling the tv eangelists that heal people Jesus and writing testaments about them and adding them to the bible.

your ideas on religion and evolution are so fucked you need to serioly think about a lobotomy

rethink what you just typed.

where does carbon dating come into effect in locating parts of a missing skeleteon. carbon dating is only good for DATING an object

lol the bible wasn’t written as a book. it was written as individual stories put into one book so you could get the story in order and in it’s entirity.

anything you say I will have a come back of common sense and factual stuff. you can’t deal with it so you go to talking crap congrats

exactly that is why I typed it sorry I thought you would see what I was gettin at. here you go:

where did the hands and feet go? did they hop away on their own? my guess is they have no idea where they went or better yet do and don’t want to say anything as it will ruin the theory. the bones probably just decomposed and became the soil now why would just those things be gone if carbon dating is so accurate how would some bones decompose and some not?

umm why does a tree break down and turn into dirt? because its made of organic material that breaks down over time.

you are missing something here. cant carnivores eats parts of a skeleton?

oh wait your gonna go back to the whole dinosaur thing right? well look at the difference in the size of the bones. which one do you think is more likely to break down? finding bits and peices of stuff that old is amazing.

and like i said carbon dating pertains to dating… not to decomposition of bones and such. bones can decompose quicker than others to a number of things. mineral deposits, basic bone structure, etc, etc.

wheres the prrof that the stories are real? there isnt any is there? i havent seen real actual proof of it.

so if all of pittspeed took and wrote a book about whiteys life and we all took a chapter it would be completely accurate. i dont think so.

dude the new testament was written by his apposiles

again other primary sources and documents back up the bibles claim of a man called Jesus that did all of what was said in the bible. go find a religious schollor I am sure you would be enlightened

but they are all made up of the same thing(carbon) so to date them all would be equally decomposed

any proof > completely unproven theory

I am goin to bed I will waste more time on you guys tomorrow.

black people. irish people. people that live by the equator are black. people that live way away from the equator are white. Evolution. If you took a pasty brit and stuck him on the equator with no sunscreen for a month, theres a good chance he could die from sun poisioning.

again, black people. Want to know why blacks are proportionally better at sports than white people and proportionally less intellegent? When we were picking out which slaves to take over, we only took the biggest and the strongest. What did we do to the smart slaves that could read? We killed them. Natural selection/evolution speeded up many times by intereference of man. Now take that same effect over hundreds of thousands of years. I dont think that evolution fundamentally answers the question of where exactly we came from (from the simplest goo to the insanely complex neuro/cardiovascular systems we have now). However, to say that evolution doesnt exist is retarded.

carbon doesnt work on stuff 70k or older according to this article.

this explains dating of fossils
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton.html

wtf are you talking about?

science doesnt claim to have all the answers. Science can honestly just admit that it doesnt have enough facts to state exactly where we came from.

you fail to remember the level of ignorance of people back then. this was 2000 years ago. People TODAY believe that Benny Hinn heals people, and no one can explain how David Copperfield does some of his tricks. If you didnt know he was a magician and were a retarded biblical aged farmer, you could easily believe it was a miracle.