[quote=“psychopjv,post:40,topic:33485"”]
great another thing for someone to whine about. He was shown taking batting practice without said “protector” and was killing them regardless. I believe it was said he hit 19 home runs in 11 rounds.
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Home runs in batting practice do not equal home runs in a game.
[quote=“sureshot!,post:31,topic:33485"”]
Ok.
Well, for all the books you have apparently read, you really don’t know a lot about the subject at hand do you? I was lumping many things into the group “performance enhancers” however, admittedly, perhaps that was just a mistake. Instead, I encourage you to research the various types of “roids” that are on the market. I don’t have the time or resources while I’m at work, however you should know that ALL STEROIDS DO NOT CAUSE BULK AND STRENGTH. Instead many improve recovery, muscular endurance, metabolism/cannibalism and even flexibility.
Users of steroids that effect strength and size frequently are targeted because they are the most apparent to the public/media, but to make an assumption that “well he doesnt look big, so he must not be on the juice” is a foolish one.
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I am not assuming that those who are not jacked are not on steroids. Those who are reported as taking steroids are those who wanted to bluk up and gain strength. Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Conseco, Palmero, Giambi, Giambi all play positions where they are expected to produce offensive numbers with minimal defensive concern. In otherwords, but up big numbers and just worry about routine plays.
I understand that steroids do other things but that is not what they are being used for in baseball right now. I know the very basics about different types of steroids, and the majority of the steroids in question are those that would provide strength and size.
[quote=“Afrank45,post:37,topic:33485"”]
But that is an incorrect statement because “the clear” is a steroid and was designed specifically for the recovery purpose.
Steroids are not solely for bulking up which is why so many track and field and other endurance athletes takes them(bulking up for them would be counterproductive) this being said a STARTING pitcher who is coming off a 125 pitch outing (lets say for this arguement’s sake he is a power pitcher) even with 4 days rest would not be able to hit his normal 98 on the gun because of fatigued arm, but he takes steroids and is able to come out 4 days later and have his best stuff because of the recovery capabilities.
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The clear was actually designed to promote endurance. It is a mix of THG, insulin, and EPO.
The clear is a mix of epitestosterone/testosterone used to keep T/E levels down when testing occurred. Baseball and I think other sports question anything above 6/1.
Starting pitchers do not throw as hard as they can every time they throw a fastball. So what they can throw and what they actually throw are different. I don’t know is you played baseball Afrank, but you can indeed come out and throw the same with 4 or 5 days rest without taking steroids. You can even manage to hit the same speeds as the previous game pitched.
As for track and field. The only people document as using steroids are sprinters (who only need burst speed and short term power) which are clearly on the bulky muscular side and shot putters (where size and power) matter.
For you to make your point you should have suggested a sport like cycling where you would have actually been correct. Landis and Armstrong would be examples of steroids for endurance. Not track and field. Marion Jones’ legs are probably twice the width of your body.
Oh man, this thread rocks. Bonds is going to break it regardless.
[quote=“ryanmcell,post:43,topic:33485"”]
Oh man, this thread rocks. Bonds is going to break it regardless.
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yeah and nobody is going to give 2 shits about a cheater.
[quote=“BuickGN,post:44,topic:33485"”]
yeah and nobody is going to give 2 shits about a cheater.
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especially no one with a hall of fame ballot
but the guy (bonds) has NEVER tested positive
[quote=“BuickGN,post:44,topic:33485"”]
yeah and few give 2 shits about baseball and some meaningless personal achievement record.
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Fixed.
[quote=“Bigairskier1580,post:47,topic:33485"”]
Fixed.
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False.
Baseball is life, I mean really… it is