I’m calling bullshit for now. The only source they have is Trump’s lawyer. They don’t say they had confirmation from Deutsche Bank and it was a German newspaper that first reported it.
We’ll see.
… We have confirmed this with the bank…
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I meant Reuters. Trump and associates would totally never lie to save face. You’re right, they are the pinnacle of dignity and respect for the 1st amendment, due process, and generally not being douche bags.
But seriously, I wouldn’t discount it yet. I’ll happily eat my words if it wasn’t true. (Not that I did anything aside from post an article that almost every outlet was reporting. Even if the records were turned over/subpoenaed it doesn’t mean shit unless there was actual wrong doing.)
remember when republicans complained about obamacare being passed without knowing what was in it?
“Senate Republicans Made a $289 Billion Mistake in the Handwritten Tax Bill They Passed at 2 A.M. Go Figure.”
You do understand how a bill becomes a law right? This still has to go through reconciliation and will simply be fixed there. But continue gulping down Slate’s slanted BS like it’s actual news.
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are you saying bills are meaningless because reconciliation is for just throwing away and then doing what you decide? that’s not how this works.
No, I’m saying blowing one thing completely out of proportion and then writing a multiple page article about how this one thing that is NEVER going to actually make into the signed law is going to drastically alter how the tax cuts work is the typical #FakeNews nonsense that has become the standard operating procedure of the MSM.
don’t worry, I’m sure everything else in the bill was tip top and reviewed well.
Pretty sure everyone in this thread is getting at tax cut under both the House and Senate plans. But that’s one of those inconvenient truths I guess since this is the worst tax bill ever according to the MSM.
let’s get this trickle down party flowing. I don’t have kids so I’ve got nothing to lose.
worked for Reagan, right?
Well it’s happening either way I would at least put effort into being upset about the final bill :lol:
Most everyone will get a tax cut in the first year but that’s hardly the point. What effect will this bill have 2-3 years down the road for you? 5-6 years? How about for your kids? Now, how about the billionaires who will benefit from the permanent tax breaks? What happens to federally funded programs considering they are drastically reducing their own revenue and creating a massive deficit increase?
From earlier:
I’m only seeing short term arguments in support of the tax bill. Most right wingers know better than to call it trickle down economics. Do you really think the wealthiest people are going to stimulate the economy with a few more million? Fuck no. They will just be wealthier.
So, honestly, what long term positive effects do you see from this plan?
I don’t understand the concept around thinking billionaires and others should keep paying more.
I’m hopeful this passes and screws NY into a position where they have to control the states spending and taxes.
I don’t understand the concept around thinking billionaires are struggling and need more breaks while diminishing programs like Medicare.
if you look at effective tax rates billionaires pay less, right?
I don’t really even want to get into taxes because no one’s opinion is going to change. Left vs Right just inherently believe differently on taxes. Personally, I think lowering the corporate tax rate is going to be great for the economy. I’ve talked to the owner at the small business where I work and he has talked to his tax guy and I can personally say it’s going to be great for our company. Bottom line, it’s going to pass and time will tell. Will some businesses dump the savings into their profits? Probably. Will the majority? I seriously doubt it because their competition will be investing that money into their business. I know we’re going to spend more on our development staff to push new versions of our software out sooner.
I’d much rather talk about stuff we might find some middle ground on, like NK or Jerusalem.
I’m trying to do that on the tax plan. It’s not about changing opinions. It’s about having a better understanding of the topic and the perspective of other people.
Anyone want to take a crack at it? JayS’ example for small business is one that could help. Although I’d like to hear more detail about what about this bill helps small companies. I’m in favor of the corporate tax rate decrease to be more competitive on a global stage. However, they should also close loopholes to ensure those companies aren’t just going to fuck the system regardless.
Anyone upset about the upcoming vote on national reciprocity vote coming up? 