I’ve seen people referencing this quote as a source to place blame and I just want to say how grand of an idea I think it is to use a quote from 5 years ago to sell your argument instead of referencing what’s actually happening in modern day government.
It seems almost as effective as wearing a vagina costume in public to point how how unstable you think the president is.
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I don’t think it’s necessarily to place blame. It’s just an astonishing example of hypocrisy. (And it’s hilarious)
Man, increasing the limited from $200 to $800 would he YEUUUGE for WNY, or pretty much any US city right on the Canadian border.
If a Republican minority tried to attach an immigration change to a Democrat majority’s spending bill, then the Democrats would be wholly up in arms about it.
Both sides use the same bullshit tactics in these negotiations, when they don’t get their way.
Anyone noticed almost zero MSM coverage of the fact that during Obama’s shutdown he weaponized it by closing down everything he could to hurt the public (parks etc) while Trump is keeping them open. Fox has mentioned it of course.
JayS complaining about the media again? No way!
We’ve officially reached “Trump only closed the parks to shutdown the women’s march” status.
Best part is the last sentence says that nobody will be kicked out.
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I’m surprised Cuomo let Kathy out long enough to post a tweet.
I suppose this is one way to make sure the Trump tax cuts don’t ruin you in 2018. Make sure business can’t do well because you just hike their taxes at the state level to offset the savings they’re getting from the fed. I’m sure dems will run on a platform of, “Look at how the tax cuts didn’t do anything for CA!” after they sabotage it besides.
I need to brush up on my government procedure, Schumer keeps blaming Trump and I did not even know Trump got a vote! I know the Dems just needed to scrounge up about 9 votes to keep government going but they had ZERO.
People love to march on Washington, maybe it is time for about 500,000 military to march there. 
Looks like Schumer blinked. They’re Senate will pass the funding bill without DACA. Makes it real hard to sell the, “Trump caused this” BS when you admit you’re ending the shutdown by allowing the same bill to pass today that you could have passed Friday with no shutdown.
It’s probably best to look at an inclusive timeline when talking about the shutdown. There are three main things to keep in mind;
1. DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals)
2. CHIP (Child Health Insurance Program)
3. CR (Continued Resolution) which is what they use to continue funding the government until spending appropriations are passed.
I’ll add as much pertinent information as I can find but feel free to comment if I missed anything or need to correct it.
September 2017
5th - Trump ends DACA and calls on congress to write legislation to protect the ‘Dreamers’.
13th - Trump meets with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi to discuss a deal that would include protections for Dreamers. Chuck and Nancy claim to have reached a deal.
14th - Republicans make it clear that they don’t want the deal. Trump tweets that no deal was made.
October 2017
1st - Congress fails to pass any of the 12 appropriations bills to fund the government. This is where stopgap spending bills start and CHIP funding lapses.
8th - The WH delivers a list of demands that have been r
December 2017
7th - A 2 week stopgap bill is passed. It does not include any protection for DACA. This is to allow more time to work out a deal on DACA.
20th - Another stopgap measure without DACA as Republicans promise to enter discussions for a bi-partisan compromise after the new year.
January 2018
9th - Televised meeting with Trump and lawmakers from both parties to discuss legislation for DACA, CHIP and normal appropriations.
11th - Senators from both parties announce that they reached a deal. This deal would “legalize Dreamers, add to border security, end the diversity visa lottery, and address temporary protected status for Haitians and others in the United States because of disasters.”
Later that day - Senators Durbin (D-IL) and Graham (R-SC) meet Trump at the WH to discuss the newly agreed upon deal. Cue the ‘shithole’ debacle. Nothing is agreed to.
18th - The house passes stopgap measure. However, Senate Democrats decide to take a stand claiming it is to get permanent legislation for DACA, expand federal intervention in the opioid crisis, assist Puerto Rico, and include longer term budget deal on higher spending caps for military and non-military spending.
20th - Senator McCaskill (D-MO) proposes a bill on the Senate floor to ensure military personnel continue to receive pay should the government shutdown. McConnell (R-KY) rejects it saying that he didn’t support it ‘at this time.’ (For reference, the 2013 shutdown was preceded with a similar proposal that passed in advance of the vote causing the shutdown.)
22nd - Senate votes to re-open the government until February 8th with another CR. This comes with a promise from McConnell to allow an immigration bill to be put on the floor in February. Trump and GOP leaders had previously refused to negotiate immigration at all while the government was closed.
In addition to re-opening the government, CHIP funding was extended another 6 years despite Democrats wanting to extend for longer.
Here’s my take;
This blame game is absolutely useless. Democrats are using what little leverage they have to help DACA which has overwhelming majority support from citizens. There is no reason for Republicans to withhold it aside from political leverage. Especially when you consider that this has been going on for OVER 4 MONTHS. Do I agree with them holding out in this fashion? Not really, but I can see how they were forced into this.
The GOP loves that they can use this situation to say Dems are ‘holding the country hostage.’ In fact, they love it so much that they rejected Senator McCaskill’s proposal to ensure military personnel would receive pay if a shutdown happened and immediately started blaming democrats for it. That’s just super.
How much of a part does Trump play in this? I’m not sure. It appears that he foiled the negotiations between both parties after their January 11. I won’t speculate what drove him to do that.
At this point people should be more upset that our political system even allows this to happen, never mind which party is at fault.
One good thing about this nonstop silly season is that people will not want to be a part of the Democrat Party. It is seriously going bat shit crazy.
Would any sane adult want to be associated with these ignorant lunatics? If it wasn’t so scary it would be funny.
Maybe they should have had tiki torches and swastikas?
I don’t think the props had anything to do with it. It was more of how clueless they were on something they felt so strongly about. If you are going to spend a day marching you should at least know why you are marching. LMAO.
You sure change your story a lot. Today you’re unsure, but 2 days ago you said
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This is why people hate liberals. Just because we support trump doesn’t mean we are white supremacists. Most of us aren’t even hardcore right wing, we are just forced to pick a side and decided to pick the sane one.
Did you watch the lunacy in videos from the march? The infowars guy got spit on in his video by some lunatic with 60k in camera gear, LITERALLY foaming at the mouth, screaming “fuck trump”. My favorite was the #imwithher bitch who was marching to end rape culture. Inforwars guy opens his jacket to show his bill clinton rape shirt, and he says “so you support the clinton family?”. They did what you would expect-- walked away speechless.
Thoughts?
My brother works at Solar City in assembly, I know the Obama had his tariffs as well so this isn’t NEW news, but I wonder how this will impact the Buffalo manufacturing plant…
Weren’t domestic panel companies being killed by cheap overseas ones? I see this as good for business, bad for renewable energy-- unless the increased sales can bring down the manufacturing costs of US made panels.