what to do with my fc?

i dont have a problems with people swaping in japanease 4/6/8 motors into japanease cars. but swaping american v8s into japanease cars is not where its at at all its the easy ghetto way out.

if you want a v8 get a japanease v8 and be origional.

if someone was like
YOOOOO IMA SWAP A b16 INTO MY 69 CAMARAUH obviously you would be like
wow your a noob cannon ricer.

american v8 into a jap car is the reverse of that

Bingo. That’s what I was getting at.

Have you seen the specs on a DOHC Cobra motor? Or a Z06 motor? Stock?

Just because it’s domestic, doesn’t always make it garbage…really it doesn’t, despite what all the JDM freaks say…not all American muscle is junk.

Would it be okay if it was a Neon SRT4 motor?

interesting, you’ve pretty much sumed up the entire ’ dumbass V8 ’ metality we’ve been talking about… what’s more your serious. Thank you for that example.

You obviously have no concept of suspension otherwise your remarks involving

then you can probably redistribute the weight in a car, adjust shocks and get larger, stickier rears.
would not have been made…

eople have done this swap ad nauseum, and ended up with faster and better cars.
There is no replacement for displacement!!!

Agian, you have no clue what your talking about… the replacement for displacement is CAPACITY . But that involves forms of mechanics and terms that someone like you would seem not to know… technology that’s a big one should I brak that down to small, easy to understand words? hp/lbs, power band, drive ratios, balance, forced induction. From the rotary world you have such things as J- porting, Porting, 9500-10K rpm rotation for a powerband 2x most 302/305’s ( incase this is lost on you your low end tq is good and fine but when your in 2nd and hitting thrid… the rotary is still working it’sway thorugh first gears powerband. ) maybe if your a drag racer low end is well and fine, provided you have the sticies to keep it hooked up. personally a 6sec 3 rotor works for me… 2.0L of 6sec rotory power… yeap they got ‘nuttin’ that’s just a start, should I continue to bury you in your own stupidity or are you wanting more?

WTF is a 3L rotary?? you were talking out of your ass before now your speaking through it and the crap in it… thier a 3 rotor 20B and a 4 rotor 26B one is 2.0L one is 2.6L where you get 3L from is only known to you. If you can’t even or don’t even kow the basics of a frikin rotary what on earth m,akes you think your even remotly qualifed to compare thetwo engines… oh yeah that’s right , your a V8 guy you know everything…

I think that as per usual, we have a little unobjective brand/ land of origin bigotry going on.

seriously, after all that you’ve just said above… you have the audacity to say this?? How many times were dropped on your head as a child ? have to be more then a few and from a very great height it seems as well…

Actually, it’s not.

american cars tend to weigh more and have motors with torque and displacement.

Honda motors have no torque or displacement.

To reverse it would be silly.

Torque is good. No torque is bad.

cheap horsepower is good, expensive horsepower is expensive.

B16 requires A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE 255 BHP. Which is what a 302 STOCK makes…not to mention over 300 ft lbs of torque…STOCK.

you will never see those numbers forma B16…EVER, unless you have lots and lots of sponsors and money…even then, you will never ever reach those torque figures safely. (Well, horsepower yes, but that still reqires tons of dough and tuning, against a stock V8 iron)

now, put the same amount of money into a DOHC V8? Or a SRT4.

BTW, what does a Lotus Elise use as it’s motor? :wink:

yes the cobra motor is simpily amazing and it is an amazing car. but it belongs in a domestic. a focus, a escort, whatever. but not in a s13.

if you have the need for a v8 in a s13 be origional and swap in a lexus v8 or an infinity v8 or somthing like that.

the reason i dislike gmc is due to their terribly poor build quality and the rednecks who are like

teh camarruhh is the best automobile ever made in the history of the automobillle

yallll vtec hit 14.9 on a good day!

this one time i was with my buddy in my 240 and some fag redneck in a 5.0 with super loud exhaust was like “YALL THINK YOUR IMPORT GOT ENUFFF FOR MAH MUSTANNNG!” true story. obviosly he was the one who didnt have enough after i laid 4-5 cars to him he was rather embarassed.

no i dont like srt-4s they are riddled with problems and dealers that screw them over

go on srt-4 forums and read them and you will see that the repairs sectiona nd broken parts is flooded with posts.

This one time i was in my mom’s stock Jetta 1.8T and this kid in a S13 with exhaust asked me to race?

I SPANKED HIM.

That’s a pretty familiar story too. :slight_smile:

Moral of the story is, there are losers in every crowd…MANY in the import scene and MANY in the domestic scene.

It’s all the same dood. Ego ruins the whole sport…it’s all about HAVING FUN!!!

Enjoy what you have, let other poeple enjoy what they have or want. There is more than enpugh room in this sport for all.

Group hug time.

I was the buddy in his S13…

and the only thing passed us was a bike doing a wheelie at 150ish…

That was me on my 929.

F#ck no …it’s not group hug time yet.
Rotomami has no idea who he is speaking to and should preface things he says with “I feel”, or “I believe”.

First, take an English comprehension course…then take the automotive course. Where did I say 3 liter rotary? Nowhere. This proves that you merely skimmed.
20b = 2liter …3 rotor
13b = 1.3 liter…2 rotor

26b is a 4 rotor. Made for the 787 GTP. Not available.
So as far as me knowing “nothing” about rotaries, I at least know what *&&^^ engine comes in what.

Secondly. If you can’t redistribute weight in a project car then I pity you.
You have no idea what I have built and/or worked on Roto, so it would pay to be a little more circumspect in your tone.

Thirdly, Are you faster than “Jefferlito” in the 1/4? (Magnus blue FD) read 10 flat and making 600ish at the tire.
If not, then most force-fed 302 will ‘eat your food’.
A DOHC 4.6 Ford V-8 would be far better but it is more expensive. Aluminum Block V-8, 4 valves per cylinder DOHC…nothing primitive here.

Tek

PS. It would be nice if you’d realize that I’m not a V-8 guy. I’m an engine guy. As far as porting and headwork go, I have a “firm grasp” of what’s possible. I know what J-porting on a rotary engine is and I am in no way biased towards North American cars. It might be said that I don’t have any preference when it comes to powerplants. HP is HP and Torque is Torque. In an FC a N/A v-8 would be entertaining, a turbo v-8 would be a real demoralizer for arrogant “purists”.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/psychoward/images/hotlink/stallowned.jpg

http://www.son240sx.ca/cpgallery/albums/userpics/10673/Ghey3.jpg

One more thing Rotokami…
You may have missed the part of the discussion where another forumite tells you that the 302 is just a bit heavier than an SR20det. Imagine what a newer Cobra 4.6 weighs!
If anyone here needs to wake up and realize that “it’s not 1978”, it’s you.
And before you tell me what I know and don’t know about suspension concepts and car balance let me say this:
If you can’t redistribute 50-100 lbs in a car, then you suck.
:evil: Flame on

Dawg, it uses the 2ZZGE Toyota 1.8L 4 banger. And the Toyota powered Elise will dust any POS domestic. With minor tuning, it’ll eat anything straight line, and will brutally rape anything that came out of this godforsaken continent in the twisties in bone stock form.

And stop ranting about how American V8’s sound. That’s subjective as many people (especially myself) think they sound like utter shit. They sound like they’re malfunctioning.

Yawn…

C6 Z06 will destroy the Elise.

You may have missed the part of the discussion where another forumite tells you that the 302 is just a bit heavier than an SR20det. Imagine what a newer Cobra 4.6 weighs!

then YOU missed the part where I told you how much a rotory weights in at… in prepped trim it’s@ 55kg… sorry to say but I don’t think you can toss around a 4.6 or a SR… apparently you just ‘skimmed my posts’… NEXT!

If anyone here needs to wake up and realize that “it’s not 1978”, it’s you.

LOL your the one talking about 5.0L and block designs from the days of stove pipe 6’s not me man.

And before you tell me what I know and don’t know about suspension concepts and car balance let me say this:
If you can’t redistribute 50-100 lbs in a car, then you suck.

Ladies and gentelman I rest my case… since my explinations were obviosuly MISSED completely I’ll say ti again in really simple ways just for you …" weight BAD." Hows that for simpler… if YOu’d like a long and drawn out version then I don’t have a problem breaking it down into point by point form starting with suspension rates, roll rates, inertia vectors, harmonics and and ground traction.

Where did I say 3 liter rotary? Nowhere. This proves that you merely skimmed.

no it proves that your sentance structure sucked WTF is this" wankelers" is this the new redneck derogitory term for people who ’ get it '…

26b is a 4 rotor. Made for the 787 GTP. Not available.
So as far as me knowing “nothing” about rotaries, I at least know what *&&^^ engine comes in what.

lol I’m sorry but what car does a 'crate engine ’ come out of ??

as for a 4 rotor :

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/erika/scoot.wmv

http://www.epoch-net.ne.jp/yasu/777/4re_001_b.wmv

IF you ‘KNEW’ anything about the engine you were cutting on you’d have realized that 4 rotors are very common Companies in both Japan, England, New Zealand and Austrailia and even here oh wait ME! build 4 rotors.

Yashiro Iron Works

Hurley engineering

Secondly. If you can’t redistribute weight in a project car then I pity you.
You have no idea what I have built and/or worked on Roto, so it would pay to be a little more circumspect in your tone.

Again if you don’t understand the concept of adding weight and the problems a heavier car incurrs on suspension comprimises then thats YOUR problam not mine, you can deny it all you wntbut weight IS weight and physics IS physics…

Thirdly, Are you faster than “Jefferlito” in the 1/4? (Magnus blue FD) read 10 flat and making 600ish at the tire.
If not, then most force-fed 302 will ‘eat your food’.

Magnus LOL you mean that 50,000 wonder car that couldn’t stay togeter more then 1 pass 90% of the time… LOL 1/4 miles to me stupid… tell you what YOU can have the 1/ 4 mile… it doesn’t test handling or driving characteristic of a car doesn’t tests the cars corner G or brake center or 3rd gear acceleration or even how it handles in turbulent air , doesn’t test a thing beyond who put’s the foot down first and whos car has the best hp/weight ratio… again… more maudlin events. Invented back when american cars didn’t have the ability to handle… and still don’t… I don’t consider $80K + new cars as a fair compairson to $ 5k 10-15 year old cars… however if you feel the need to do that comparison then go ahead. but it just the gap and the mentatlity of USDM cars to ‘others’

Oh and back to the question and I’m faster… on a track yes, on the street yeas in the 1/4 probably not. then again for frikin 50K I’d be alot faster… considering my measly 13B is only 550hp… from 60kg ( twins) … oh and ithe whole car , not just the engine cost me 1/5th of his.

PS. It would be nice if you’d realize that I’m not a V-8 guy. I’m an engine guy.

apparently not it would seem…

In an FC a N/A v-8 would be entertaining, a turbo v-8 would be a real demoralizer for arrogant “purists”.

I’m sure it would but first you have to beat them… but damn, it’s funny when you block heads get eatin by 1.3L ROTFLMAO

the lancer evo MR kills the vette on any track with no drawn out 5th gear straights. and the eleise was tested against that car in Japan and came in 1.2sec behind it. I’m thinkng a Zo6 would need a pretty specific track to beat an elise … also with a turbo on the 2ZZ and a different final drive … Z06… toast!

A race-prepped Elise could not catch up to a stock Vette on one lap of the North Loop.

And I said C6 Z06. There aren’t any in Japan yet. No one has tested them, especially not against an MR… yet.

(Obviously this means I’m speculating about it beating the Elise; I hold this position.)

um dude thier are MR’s is the US… doh!

Just like the MR would need a specific track to beat the Vette. :smiley:

You really are making my point for me, aren’t you.

Since when is a V8 a bygone design. You might have missed the DOHC 4.6 part of what makes an engine awesome.

I trust that if Nissan had made any of the v8’s in question you’d have no problem with this swap idea.

The rest of your weight issue is moot . Yes less weight is better. 50-100lbs is not going to be overcome by your wankel, you wankeler.
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