boMex…its funny that you mention the CFM56 since i am the lead Manufacturing Engineer for the fuel injectors on those turbine engines…nasty little things.
… lever point weight 50lbs is still 50lbs, where it’s situated from the balance point on the lever ( how far in front of the axel ) will change the weight of the engien acting upon the supension… 50lb one foot out center point is more the 50lbs. plus torque loads , 50lb at one foot out is an extra 50ft/lbs by adding 50lbs to the rear to ‘balance’ the car is a misnomer, now ou’ve added 100lbs and that has to be sucked up in the suspension, which now has to be rate increased whch reduces it’s ability to maintian road contact due to spring rates and sway rates. also raside the CofG by doing so you['ve change the pitch and roll characteristics, the dded weight changed the moment loading front a back which increase yaw propogation. ( swapping ends). Also an SR is hevier then a 13BT in built trim, there fore your 302 is going tobe that much havier in a car desinged for a rotary. of course you can hck and cut and rebuild a car to accept it… but then you’ve spent way mor money to do a reliable swap that didn’t ned to be done if the engine ( 13BXXX boosted)… a rotary does not need to blow up it’s simply lazy ass building and tuning that blows them up.
the enigne your quoting is from certified aircraft as well… since any ceritifcation for aviation costs in the 10’s of millions to do… certified aircraft cannot use them, also over what period of time are looking at this from… I’m talking about this year and maybe even last… they’s even a new company out from switzerland that made thier own ground up rotary , all aluminum 1/2 the weight of the exsisting mazda iron plated version… For what is called the ’ experimental’ which is all aircraft not certified , the roatry is the best selling… for references to them check out Atkins rotary and real world solutions.
The turbo was an issue with contemporary apex seal technology and the limited availability of good stand alone systems. you now have carbon, ceramic and RWS metal ’ anti detonation’ seals that are overcoming , in the case of the RWS seals by 100-300%, of the detonation problem that would blow mazda OEM’s … One thing that Mazda found after Lemans was that the 787B did not need to be rebuilt, it had ’ no decernable wear’ , which was a stark contrast to the piston engines of the day…
That’s all good and everything…but ask yourself WHO is driving the car. Maybe…they just don’t care?
When are you guys going to understand that it’s all subjective…not everyone wants to build a road racer. Not everyone likes the same things as you…or I should rephrase it, maybe not everyone cares as much as you do about these things.
I cannot believe how much this erks you guys…[/quote]
If it’s subjective then what does it matter what we think?
Point is when people start toting 1 motor as greater then another, it’s going to cause heat deal with it…
if you boys dont start playing nice i am going to fill this entire post with random comments from napolean dynamoite or other irrelevent ramblings.
keep this poo on SG…
Baleted!
OT Baleted!
That’s all good and everything…but ask yourself WHO is driving the car. Maybe…they just don’t care?
When are you guys going to understand that it’s all subjective…not everyone wants to build a road racer. Not everyone likes the same things as you…or I should rephrase it, maybe not everyone cares as much as you do about these things.
I cannot believe how much this erks you guys…[/quote]
If it’s subjective then what does it matter what we think?
Point is when people start toting 1 motor as greater then another, it’s going to cause heat deal with it…[/quote]
Nowhere once did I say one was better than the other…if you read back, I’m the onnly one who is saying that all cars are fun. :roll: :roll:
That’s all good and everything…but ask yourself WHO is driving the car. Maybe…they just don’t care?
When are you guys going to understand that it’s all subjective…not everyone wants to build a road racer. Not everyone likes the same things as you…or I should rephrase it, maybe not everyone cares as much as you do about these things.
I cannot believe how much this erks you guys…[/quote]
If it’s subjective then what does it matter what we think?
Point is when people start toting 1 motor as greater then another, it’s going to cause heat deal with it…[/quote]
Nowhere once did I say one was better than the other…if you read back, I’m the onnly one who is saying that all cars are fun. :roll: :roll:[/quote]
I never said you did, it was a generalized statement…
omg bbq, Avery you asked for something wild and all you got was a Domestic engine debate. What’s wild/different about that?
[biased summary]
I didn’t read all the suggestions but here’s a summary:
- existing mazda motors
- JDM 4cylinder
- Domestic v8
- Electirc motor
Frankly the electric is the most wild/unique suggestion!
[/biased summary]
But as it turns out your going to rebuild the motor and thow all our suggestions out the window… :’(
well ive come to the conclusion its not worth custom motor mounts and driveshaft and tranny mount to make the same power a rotary can…
- rotarys sound SEXYYYYYYY
anyone wanna help me tear it down in the summer and rebuild?
yes, they do sound sexy.
Yes, I’ll help you pull it if you want my help, i’ve done two.
well in that case pull the oil metering pump (s4 or s5 engine btw) and run premix in the thing…
if your gonna have a car that sounds like a pissed off chainsaw you might as well have it drink the same stuff 
Why do you care??? Really.
I’ll tell you why…again.
-Maybe they are sick of rebuilding rotaries because they want speed but don’t have time/knowledge/money to properly tune one.
-Maybe they want something different
-Maybe they like the styling of the RX7, but like V8’s.
-Maybe they want straight line speed in an esthetically pleasing package.
-Maybe they enjoy pissing off elitist rotor heads.
-Maybe they enjoy a new project.
-Maybe they read good reviews about them.
-Maybe they want a torquey non finicky drift machine
-Maybe they like the idea of it
-Maybe they like the gas mileage as opposed to 94 octane and even worse mileage than a moderately tuned V8.
-Maybe they like piston engines better
The list goes on.
Sure, an RX7 tuned well will always be a better road racer…but some people just don’t care.
That are SOME of the reasons why.
Why do some people put SR20DETs or rotaries in AE86’s? Why do some people put SR20’s in FC’s? Why do some people put 2JZ motors in FC’s? Why do some people put mammoth turbo’s on 2.0’s? Why do some people weigh so damn much? They just throw off teh weight distribution. Why do some people turbo charge their NA cars? Why do people want to make 500-600 HP on a street car?
Why? Why? Why?
Because they can and they want to.
Okay, that made you sound so intelligent.
Good response.
Respond to that.
All of the above. I remember an FC that was racing GT2 at Mosport. It had a built 302 and a wide body kit. Gorgeous car that pretty much owned its class. Sounded amazing, had sick low-end torque (what would rotaryowners know of torque??) and handled verywell.
If you can put a 302 in an FC then you can probably redistribute the weight in a car, adjust shocks and get larger, stickier rears. Just maybe…
5.0 engines are cheap to get. If you really dislike that idea then get a newer Mustang engine. V8 or V6, SOHC or better yet DOHC and alloy block etc.
As for an inline 6? Sure I love them the most, but how’s THAT going to affect your precious weight distribution? A v8 is only a bit longer than a 4 cylinder.
People have done this swap ad nauseum, and ended up with faster and better cars.
There is no replacement for displacement!!!
Why do the wankelers put the 2 liter 3 rotor in their RX7? It’s got more!
H22 Civic?? Ditto.
Why do the Silvia guys put the Skyline engine in?? Does anyone scream and chastise them for their 'imbalanced choices?
I think that as per usual, we have a little unobjective brand/ land of origin bigotry going on.
Rob
Ohhh…and I seriously doubt that a streetable 13bt can touch a mildly turbo’d 302.
Dons Asbestos Fubu parka
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your a complete idiot… premix is for lazy ass americans who can’t take care of thier car. Plus it’s a 1/2 assed way to oil and does not work like it’s suppose to… as someone whose worked/working on fuel iongection you should have a clue but appaently you dont.
Premix wil only follow the path the injectors pray patter is set at… I’ve yet to see a set of injectors that are pointed at the rotor housing… so what your doing is spraying oil onto the rotor , which doesn’t NEED IT … the rotor housing needs it that’s why the crome surface has a very high porosity to it, so oil gets trapped in it from the the apex seals sweeping the oil like a squeegy across a pc of foam… the oil gets trapped in the micro pits and lubricates it… pre mix does nothing but oil the rotor face, nothing else…
You want to know WHY so manyof these engines blow up… here one BIG reason why… the lazy ass, american made, premix solution where the apex seals heat up wear out 10x as fast as they should, where corner seals EAT the surface off the edge of the housings chip and break seals… You want some serious confirmation talk to Atkins rotory about it. He gave a nice long seminar on the ’ failures’ of premix 3 years ago and sevenstock.
you want ot do it right, then you use the 2 stroke oil OMP adaptor and 1/100 premix not 1/10 or 1 to whatever I dump in.
yeah you worked on a r7 before… you helped loosen the lug nuts for the other people that worked on the car.
what do you want validation on
that lt1 camaros are a pile of lumber that should be sent to the furniture factory?
i raced a 95 LT1 6 speed camaro when i was at 9 psi with
Intake, long tube headers, loud catback, high flow cats, underdrive pulleys,msd igniton, dyno tune, short shifter, 4.10 gears, all of the free mods, weight reduction, 335 tires in the back, and some other shit that i forget about
off the lights to 185,
i pulled 1 car off the line, 1.5 in 2nd, 2.5 in 3rd, and a solid 3.5 ish by the time i was in 4th and was still pulling
this was at 9 psi in my 240.
and then to make sure it wasnt a fluke we raced on the highway from 80-190 same results 4 cars at the end? NICE THE CAMARO CAN NEVEERR LOOOSSSEEE!
i thought they ran 12s with minor bolt ons? guess not.
clearly if you know who i was then you would know that nothing i have posted in this entire thread other than that kill was serious. you would also know that i was joking.
but i still think gmc products are junk.
I wanted valiation on your blanket statement that 350 were all junk and shouild be scrapped.
I also wanted your validation on why you have such a hate on for people who choose to do things differently from your close circled JDM tyteness views. You cannot just go and discount all other peoples’ experiences with other motors and chassis’ just becasue you yourself do not like it, let alone proceed to call it gay.
Clearly if you knew me, you would know that I respond to ignorant comments like any of you guys do.
cool. You still missed the rest of my post answering your questions though. 