Why does God allow natural disasters?

a fun / interesting read:

At the heart of Haiti’s humanitarian crisis is an age old question for many religious people - how can God allow such terrible things to happen? Philosopher David Bain examines the arguments.

  Evil has always been a thorn in the side of those - of whatever faith - who believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good God. 

As the philosopher David Hume (echoing Epicurus) put it in 1776: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?”
Faced with this question, Archbishop of York John Sentamu said he had “nothing to say to make sense of this horror”, while another clergyman, Canon Giles Fraser, preferred to respond “not with clever argument but with prayer”.
Perhaps their stance is understandable. The Old Testament is also not clear to the layman on such matters. When Job complains about the injuries God has allowed him to suffer, and claims “they are tricked that trusted”, God says nothing to rebut the charges.

Less reticent is the American evangelist Pat Robertson. He has suggested Haiti has been cursed ever since the population swore a pact with the Devil to gain their freedom from the French at the beginning of the 19th Century. Robertson’s claim will strike many as ludicrous, if not offensive.
And even were it true, it wouldn’t obviously meet the challenge.
Why would a loving deity allow such a pact to seem necessary? Why wouldn’t he have freed the Haitians from slavery himself, or prevented them from being enslaved in the first place? And why, in particular, would he punish today’s Haitians for something their forbears putatively did more than two centuries before?
So what should believers say? To make progress, we might distinguish two kinds of evil:

  • the awful things people do, such as murder, and

  • the awful things that just happen, such as earthquakes

       St Augustine, author CS Lewis and others have argued God allows our bad actions since preventing them would undermine our freewill, the value of which outweighs its ill effects. 
    

But there’s a counter-argument. Thoroughly good people aren’t robots, so why couldn’t God have created only people like them, people who quite freely live good lives?
However that debate turns out, it’s quite unclear how freewill is supposed to explain the other kind of evil - the death and suffering of the victims of natural disasters.
Perhaps it would if all the victims - even the newborn - were so bad that they deserved their agonising deaths, but it’s impossible to believe that is the case.
Or perhaps freewill would be relevant if human negligence always played a role. There will be some who say the scale of the tragedy in natural disasters is partly attributable to humans. The world has the choice to help its poorer parts build earthquake-resistant structures and tsunami warning systems.

          But the technology has not always existed. Was prehistoric man, with his sticks and stones, somehow negligent in failing to build early warning systems for the tsunamis that were as deadly back then as they are today? 

The second century saint, Irenaeus, and the 20th Century philosopher, John Hick, appeal instead to what is sometimes called soul-making. God created a universe in which disasters occur, they think, because goodness only develops in response to people’s suffering.

To appreciate this idea, try to imagine a world containing people, but literally no suffering. Call it the Magical World. In that world, there are no earthquakes or tsunamis, or none that cause suffering. If people are hit by falling masonry, it somehow bounces off harmlessly. If I steal your money, God replaces it. If I try to hurt you, I fail.

So why didn’t God create the Magical World instead of ours? Because, the soul-making view says, its denizens wouldn’t be - couldn’t be - truly good people.
It’s not that they would all be bad. It’s that they couldn’t be properly good.

For goodness develops only where it’s needed, the idea goes, and it’s not needed in the Magical World.
In that world, after all, there is no danger that requires people to be brave, so there would be no bravery. That world contains no one who needs comfort or kindness or sympathy, so none would be given. It’s a world without moral goodness, which is why God created ours instead.
But there is wiggle room.

Even in a world where nothing bad happens, couldn’t there be brave people - albeit without the opportunity to show it? So moral goodness could exist even if it were never actually needed.
And, anyway, suppose we agree moral goodness could indeed develop only in a world of suffering.
Doesn’t our world contain a surplus of suffering? People do truly awful things to each other. Isn’t the suffering they create enough for soul-making? Did God really need to throw in earthquakes and tsunamis as well?

Suffering’s distribution, not just its amount, can also cause problems. A central point of philosopher Immanuel Kant’s was that we mustn’t exploit people - we mustn’t use them as mere means to our ends. But it can seem that on the soul-making view God does precisely this. He inflicts horrible deaths on innocent earthquake victims so that the rest of us can be morally benefitted.
That hardly seems fair.

It’s OK, some will insist, because God works in mysterious ways. But mightn’t someone defend a belief in fairies by telling us they do too? Others say their talk of God is supposed to acknowledge not the existence of some all-powerful and all-good agent, who created and intervenes in the universe, but rather something more difficult to articulate - a thread of meaning or value running through the world, or perhaps something ineffable.
But, as for those who believe in an all-good, all-powerful agent-God, we’ve seen that they face a question that remains pressing after all these centuries, and which is now horribly underscored by the horrors in Haiti. If a deity exists, why didn’t he prevent this?
David Bain is a lecturer in the philosophy department of the University of Glasgow.

I hate religion.

I hope for a day when no one has to even try to explain why “god” does anything.

People often giggle about old days superstitions, but they are perfectly willing to believe that there is some great omniscient deity pulling strings.

+infinite.

Call me bitter, but for fucks sake…what a waste of time religion is.

it’s not a waste of time. there are lots of advantages to controlling people’s will and getting them to give you money, not to mention all the tax implications. Nobody can prove you wrong since it’s a “belief”.

why haven’t I started me own church!

Whatever helps people sleep at night is fine with me. If our tiny brains have to reduce God to some magical man in the sky to blame for earthquakes and thank for high school basketball games, then so be it.

It’s just a shame when we use said magical man to justify killing each other and judging each other and telling each other we’re not living the way we’ve decided our magical man wants us to live.

Dont forget rappers who feel the need to thank God even though Auto-tune did the work for them.

man, autotune is used THROUGHOUT the industry… just moreso as it was intended…for pitch correction.

I will never understand why people feel the need to pick apart others beliefs. But to each their own I guess.

Because said beliefs may be wrong and cause them to do stupid things.

I’ll use gay marriage as a reason why people can’t leave others beliefs alone.

It’s fine for person A to believe gays cannot be married. The problem is that for person A it’s not good enough to believe this. He/she must also impose his/her belief on person B who has a different one.

what makes person A correct? person A can’t prove it, it’s just something they believe in.

think whatever you want but leave it at that and I won’t come after you.

my mom honestly thinks the haitian earthquake is gods work, because the majority of people there practice voodoo.

this is how i was raised. im surprised im not more messed up

May, being the key word. But who are we to say they are wrong? Just because you do not believe in someone else’s belief system does not make them automatic whack jobs. Religious or not, people do stupid things. Many religions teach people to be good and help their fellow man. I don’t see how this is a bad thing? even if you do not believe the same things they do, you can at least appreciate the help that they do in the name of their faith. Granted, not all religions are like this, and there are the extreme cases where people are complete whack jobs and do terrible things in the name of their religion. Generally speaking though, especially in modern times, religious groups do more for charity and to help those in need than anyone else.

there are just as many people that arent religious that do not agree with it. So really, you are just trying to pick a fight with something you do not understand.

I have no problem with anyone believing what they want to believe. But religious people do. I have a problem with the actions they take because of it, to try and dump it on everyone else, in the name of religion.
See:
Abortion
Stem cell research
Gay marriage

Not to mention the rare chick that wants to bang you and won’t due to religious brainwashing. Ultimate bro-haters.

Religion does suck because we could all kill each other with no religious foundation.
Yeah that sounds great. :tup:

wat

You left out:

http://rlv.zcache.com/adam_steve_tshirt-p235254705661865237trlf_400.jpg

who created steve, and who made him gay?

keep your rosaries off my ovaries

i have never been to japan, I have never seen japan, all I know of japan is what I have read in books or saw on a “map” of the world therefore it is fake. You want me to “believe” it is real because you tell me japan is really there but you are just lying because I have never seen it with my own eyes.

That is what you guys sound like.