1.5 Way LSD while Drifting Impressions? (Seat time experienced people only please.)

I’m looking for some opinions and experiences from people who have either owned or driven a car with an aftermarket 1.5 way.

I’ve been in a car and drvien cars with welded and 2 ways for drifting. I on’y started drifting this year and plan on doing a lot more in conjunction with regualr circuit driving.

I’m not a huge fan of 2 ways for circuit, especially considering my skill level (read. not very high) I know that 1.5 ways work great on circuit use but what I want to know is if it locks nice and hard for drift use as well.

Please, I’ve researched online and I’ve read up a lot on diffs and how they work, etc…I’m really looking for someone that has drifted with one, everyone seems to give reviews on 2 ways for drifting, never 1.5.

Obviously, 2 ways are the better choice for drift only.

Any help appreciated, or maybe I suck at the google.

Im running a Nismo 1.5way race spec… works fantastic Havent had a chance to get i totally sideways on the track yt but on the street its bearable… its loud on tight corners but when I put it down it always steps out… tons O fun… way better than my stock vlsd

Took me less than 30 seconds to find this:

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/139711

Lots of good info for drifting + scroll down to the section about LSD’s.

Quote, originally posted by Liquidus »
Limited Slip differential, connects the two wheels together when they lose traction. With an open diff only one wheel spins, the other is just dragged along. Open differentials are frustrating and boring to drive.
1-way: Connects the wheels together only when you are pressing the gas. If you are off the gas they can move at different speeds.

1.5-way: Connects the wheels when you press the gas, but allows more difference in wheel speeds when you aren’t pressing the gas. Hence the 1.5 way, connects when on the gas, connects partially when off. This is my personal reccomendation as it always has the wheels connected, but allows them to move more when off the gas so you can get a sharper turn in.

2-way: Connects the wheels when both on and off the gas. Some people like these but i think they create a little too much understeer. if you have a good suspension you can compensate, but you need good car control skills too to keep it under control.

Viscous LSD
Uses a viscous fluid that essenitally gets more viscous as the wheels turn different speeds. The thickening fluid connects the wheels together. This is okay if your on a budget, and alot of people use them, but most come out of older cars. The fluid in the LSD, like all viscous fluid, looses viscosity over time. Plus these don’t hold all that hard to begin with. So get one if your on a budget, otherwise don’t bother. Also, these are only 1-way.

Clutch type
These use clutches to connect the wheels together. These usually lock very soon and very hard, which can create some understeer, but its also good for drifting once you get past that initial understeer. The hard and fast locking keeps both wheels spinning for good drifts. Popular ones are KAAZ and Nismo.

Torque Sensing (Torsen)
These are a little more complicated then clutch types. Since they don’t use clutches they don’t need to be rebuilt. They don’t lock as fast or as hard as clutch types, so their usually used more for autocross than drifting, but they work well and don’t need as much maintenence. The only company that i know of who makes these is Quaife.

Keep in mind I’m posting this because I don’t know what level you’re at mechanically, and googally, and driver wise.

My advice is not to really ask an open question like this here…especially on SON. Rather, send a pm to people such as Sasha, Jesse, Theo, Chris St John, Samson, Vlad, Chris…and anyone that has experience.

People too often assume that you need a 2-way, a welded diff, and lots of power to drift.

Anyways, from my personal experience, it’s not the diff that makes the drift. It’s the driver.

Thanks for the link. (my googly skill level is right up there with my university research skill level…ie. I flopped out twice and gave up.) My mechanical level is at tinkiering with cars since 1997 and driving since them as well…I still suck at both.

I am aware of what different diffs are and how a 1 way, 1.5 way and a 2 way work. That’s not what I’m asking.

The common consensus is to grab a 2 way to aid in your drift. There is no question that combined with skill, a 2 way can only help you in that particular application.

Point is. Same driver, same car, same driver skill. One car has a 2 way, one car has a VLSD. Bear in mind, teh driver is an experienced driver, chances are he/she would be in a better postion to rock a fattie slide with teh same car equppied with a 2way.

I have driven a 2way and think it’s the tits for sliding. I really don’t like the way it kicks the car out everytime I enter aggressively, or even not so aggresivley when i’m NOT trying to slide. It’s wicked for the drift but the shits for the circuit…(at my skill level at least)

So…i put the post up hoping that someone with a 1.5 way could chime in to let me know if a 1.5 way aids in holding a drift and locking the wheels when wanted.

Slide Junkie gave me his personal experience which is I’m looking for and I appreciate it!

My whole thing is this, I have a Tomei 2 way, I’m hesitant to slap that bitch in if it ruins me for regular trackdays. I also would like to pursue drifting more and was hoping that a 1.5 way would make it that much more enjoyable. a 1.5 way works great for circuit from what I’ve driven, but i’ve never tried drifting on one.

Anyways, I appreciate your reply! I guess I should just be asking, “Who has a 1.5 way diff and just ask them directly.”

Thanks, big hugs and kisses, peas and carrots all day long.

Side note…under hard brakes and trail braking, rocking that 2 way was effin ridiculous…that shit was LOOOOOOOOOSEEEE…or technically, super tight…definitely not what I’m looking for in a circuit car. Mosport turn two is hairy enough with a VLSD, no way in hell I’d like rockin that 2 way on that widow maker corner.

2way sets the car in the corner properly and teaches you how to take the right line. when you use it properly you can feel it grab you when your coming in to a corner really hot. Sometimes i feel like my diff has a slingshot effect where it grabs off throttle into the corner and helps launch out super quickly. If i ever had a circut time attack race car i would for sure use a 2way over the 1.5

You’re also a very good drifter and obviously very comfortable with the car constantly at the limits of traction.

2way is nowhere near as forgiving as a 1.5way. I know there are people out there that can rock em. It would be interesting to try driving a toned down 2way (ie setup loose) around the track. I may actually try it.

Ronnie, I guess I misunderstood you. Anyways, 2 way isn’t just meant for drifting. I know people that run 2 ways that do grip only. In the end, tt really comes down to knowing your car and having the ability to drive well enough with that 2 way or 1.5 way. I.e. Making sure you always rev match and heel toe when downshifting for a turn.

EDIT: Best way to put this. Don’t go out and buy a Magnum XXXXL condom if you have a small dick. As big as you think it might be, it may just not be for you. (Driving ability not in line with the diff)

I’m pretty anal about heel toe. Second nature to me.

Even coming down hard from the top of fourth with a 2way in straight line on neutral steering that shit was breaking loose. In hindsight, i would probably have gotten used to it and learned to use it to my advantage…initially though, it made me slow down. I guess it’s like anything else, you gotta learn how to use it properly.

I’m gonna slap the 2way in. woot.

EDIT: I’m Chinese through and through…complete with XXXS dick size! I shop in Indian stores for condoms and spend 15 minutes haggling the price with him.

^ LOL

that is all.

just sayin’

LOL Ronnie

1.5 for street/track

2 for track

2 is doable for street. but it is extremely aggressive. I’ve driven on spools and full lock up coo coo clock clutchs in my trucks. Fuckin bad ass. Gets annoying sometimes though.

put the 2way in. why save the .5 when u already own one. 1.5 is for ppl that go .5 way get it ? :slight_smile:

imo 2way is fine for grip/drift/drag. for daily it maybe a lil noisy but u get use to it. i daily on my 2way and gone to grip event aswell.edit my bad mr x :slight_smile:

My shit is stock vlsd for now. One wheel peel baby.

I have a Carbonetic 1.5 way sitting in my basement that will be going in once I put my new motor in.

Driving with forgiving stuff isn’t learning.

sorry, I have a 2 way, not 1.5, but I street drive the car along with drift… the most fun I have with it is driving mountain roads hard (lots of people can attest to that :slight_smile: ). and don’t worry about it on the street… the more practice you get with it, the better.

Good luck with the decision-making.

i have yet to try a 1.5 or 2.0… i have an hlsd i would really like to see how these compare for track/grip use… from what ive heard and this is just internet hearsay is that 1.5 is more favourable for track use than 2.0… and hlsd is pretty good and it is but just saying…

I really hope to get a chance to drive one of the above…

I use a KAZZ 1.5 way in my 240sx,

its noisy if you were using it on the street in tight corners it jumps a bit…

on the track it locks up instantly and is very predictable, feels normal when getting off the gas its great for laying down the power

using it with a LS1 powered car

adam i need to see some in car video action of ur car haha…

Hey Ronnie!, we’ll Talk about this in person

My skyline.
Same car, same driver(me)
last year i ran a 2-way KAAZ, This year NISMO GT 1.5 way
I want my 2 way back.
I could go on for pages but i’ll see you in 2 days ne way lol.

Thanks

Fiddy