advice on my project.

SON240sx Automotive
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Well, then dont talk shit to me. You wana talk shit, you’re an idiot then. First I’m talking shit cause “i dont have” even what im talking about. Now I show you (which was a REGRETFUL moment to even BOTHER to post a picture of anything amongst ppl who just talk shit), now, its not good enough… “Oh no we dont care what you have”

It’s like a circular pile of shit talk.

I just state FACTS. While you try to play them down or make fun.

If you’re going to DISH OUT 1500$~ Might as well get your money’s worth. Koni Yellow + eibach springs alone will put to shame plenty off the shelf coilovers… what did you do? Insult me and make fun of the idea. Just because you have no fucken idea about it. It won’t even cost you 1500$ and it’ll be way better. Only con being you won’t be able to slam the car it’ll be 2.2" lower (whatever the prokit is like), just about right. Or you could get GC kit (which still some don’t get what a coilover really is).

All a coilover is, is a spring over… the GC kit is a coilover conversion kit. Has a sleeve, and the right hardware. Whoopiie do!

I suggested go koni yellows + eibachs… cheap and noteworthy… or if you want to do track too, get koni yellows + GC kit. Guess what? You can get eibach race springs or hyperco springs on the cheap for replacments OR Swift springs if you want to be ‘jdm’… it’ll be ‘baller’ without the price tag.

Look a the facts ONCE AGAIN:

stance 1500$~?

Koni yellows (far superior minus slamming car) 700ish~ for dampers and 200ish for springs. VOILA. Miles ahead of any megan coilover setup or what have you. Spend 300 more and you get GC setup. Voila!

What you want shock dyno graphs posted in here too? You guys can’t even understand bloody plain text.

Koni yellows can handle 450lbs/inch - 8kg/mm springs, thats MORE than enough of what you’d want out of an s chassis. Do you COMPREHEND that? So why are you buying stances? Lets turn the tables around. Even IF you are tracking the car?!? Just so you can say “Oh I got stances YO” when these things can handle these springrates, or more if revalved.

Do you even know what the whole ‘coilover’ is made up of?!

Why do you go on ‘battering son240’. I don’t go battering on son 240, you batter on me for stating things you never heard of. I only throw out there information you’ve never heard of.

If you want a COMFORTABLE daily driver get koni yellows you won’t regret it. How about that? Nothing ‘baller’ about it. If anything you’re trying to be ‘baller’ with the stances.

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“Any dumb ass with little to no racing experience knows at the end of the day, it’s the driver not the car that matters.”

you mean someone like you? you’re someone with little to no racing experience. one single autox day doesn’t count, sry!

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Enjoy all.
http://www.son240sx.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41366

EDIT: I’m off to go have dinner with my family, goodnight, and Merry Christmas everyone!

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I hope thats a general statement, cause i dont believe i’ve ever, “talked shit” to you. We’ve clashed heads before but previously it was a rather healthy debate (race(colour) thread) as opposed to this fountain of shit.

edit: Martino you fail at spelling you stupid white boy; stop typing in fury.

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The fountain of shit was started by retardation of your own ignorance. Attacking what I say as baseless or clueless or misinformed.

You don’t even know what a fucken coilover is. “OH tein, OH stance, OH megan” that’s not a ‘coilover’ its an off the shelf coilover setup.

A coilover is a coilover. What I’ve got is a coilover, but its not “BLING BLING stance”.

Can’t even understand basic shit.

And martino “greatest” whatever? Huh? Only one on the defensive is me against YOUR condescending trash. That’s why I type alot.

WHAT WHAT? I was putting out stuff that’s “too expensive” That argument of yours is down the drain too. Koni yellow + eibach probably will more value for your money performance wise and cost a bit less.

And why are my ‘koni DAs’ superior? Than stances, megans, whatever.

How about less crosstalk than japanese shit dampers?
How about having a digressive curve?
How about being independently rebound and bump adjustable?

I didnt even bother mentioning my KONI DAs until shit talk started about me even having anything or knowing anything.

No clearly I have no idea what I’m talking about as usual. No. I just make shit up for fun as I go and pull it out of my ass!

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Perhaps misinformed was the wrong term. I consider what you said to be baseless, because I havent seen any 240 with a coilover conversion kit beat another around a track.

But even if you’re right, no need to be rude, brash and lower yourself to the level of some sonlings in the way that you post.

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Well I’m just upset every time I say ANYTHING its like everyone on son comes in here like stooges to rant down a parade of insults, mockery and jokes about what I say.

I know I won’t say something unless I know about it. I mean how could I? I don’t just pull shit out of my ass and make it up as I go.

http://www.stealth316.com/images/gc-kit.jpg

A proper coilover kit altogether should be able to be assembled and dissembled just like the picture above.

This is like STANDARD stuff… in fact to make things more comical, NO ONE stateside where they have proper amateur racing organizations and classes ever really runs stances, megans or any of these off the shelf brand ‘coilover setups’. The only one I know of is Jon from momentumGT, you might have heard of him… he was the redline 2006 timeattack champion and in fact HIS setup is NOT off the shelf either, it was a custom Tein setup and he went with it cause they sponsored him (they no longer sponsor him and well his car is down – his car is an inspiration).

Sasha’s car could have been even better have he been sponsored or funded more, without a doubt. His car ran stance GR+3. I haven’t seen the shock dynograph for those but I’d doubt they are any better than other stance stuff. Yes they worked, but you know what so can alot of stuff.

PJ also known as aceinhole ran with D2s… FRICKIN D2s… on his autox s14… and eventually went to koni DA and koni yellow then koni DA altogether… yes something CAN work but not as best as it could. My whole argument here was you get more value for your money with koni yellows than just a ‘yo drift brand’.

Most people oriented towards performance (not drifting which is only show) go for konis or bilsteins. The other stuff I listed is 2000-3000+ easily of course… heaps of $$$ but I mentioned it for sake of putting forward REAL setups not just stuff you hear in magazines or on local forums.

People are TOO brainwashed with japanese or JDM or ‘drift’ brandnames because they heard the names from ex number of ‘drifters’ and compact car magazines and what have you.

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Merry christmas everyone, off to family gatherings and such.

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See that was a decent post, you made a point, backed it up with some facts and didnt bash anyone. I see what you mean about custom coilover set-ups and I’m sure most of the other people in this thread do as well.

But for the majority of Son/zilvia/tuners in general dont not have the knowledge to put together their own setups and DEFINATLY dont have the knowledge to tune these setups. An off the shelf setup is easy, they dont have to go hunting around for parts that work together, they come with all the adjustability a normal driver needs and will likely peform to or beyond their driving abilities.

Getting your monies worth is one thing, but overkill for what you need is another.

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For reliable, fun, and practical achievement of your power goal I would suggest:

-S13 blacktop SR20DET
-apexi metal headgasket, arp head studs, hks stage1 cams, adjustable cam gears
-oil cooler, twin plate clutch, koyo rad, greddy fmic kit, nismo engine/tranny mount set
-apexi power-fc d-jetro management

And to finish it all off, if you want it to actually last and work properly it is very important to have it installed and tuned right. It would be a shame to invest all that money in the parts and not achieve your goal. If you are somewhat unsure of how to do the headgasket/cams/etc yourself, I would take it to SG-Motorsport for installation if you want it done right. As for tuning, U2NDyno is the place to go, you tell them what you want and how you’re gonna drive, and they’ll take care of everything. In the end, what matters is that every aspect of your project is done properly, the smallest thing be it a cheap part in your motor or a failure to assemble correctly could ruin everything else.

Good luck.

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Well it’s not that difficult actually if people are ACTUALLY interested they can be shown how to do it.

Koni yellow + eibach prokit is a bolt in affair just as agx + stech or any other number of combinations.

The eibach prokit lowers the car 2.2" if I recall all around. Plenty performance and look wise.

If you want to step it up, you can do a GC kit conversion and then you can run ANY spring (length or springrate as long as the spring is 2.5" ID).

It is proven, reliable, good value for your money and beats out the crappier japanese/taiwanese/chinese dampers/setups all together out there.

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has anyone made big power in a sr without blowing up…bing?

93

^ouch.

The prob with most of these turbo setups is either cooling or inadequate tuning… or… being pushed beyond what the former two were aimed for…

Sexy SR with about 300whp-350whp-ish (Jon from momentumgt) all out track only race car:

KAT with 300whp PJ/aceinhole with his heavy heavy s14 autox pimpmobile :smiley:

What Jon told me his BIGGEST issue with the car being reliable was cooling… cooling cooling cooling… they did some creative stuff with cooling, piping ducts and what have you…

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I have 380whp, I have never overheated, I never blew up, I beat my car to death. I have an SR. I run 18psi.

But in reality, in terms of cooling I have

Blitz Oil Cooler Kit
RE Aluminum Radiator w/ Samco hoses.
Stock Shroud
Stock Clutch Fan

In 35 Degree summer weather at the track, my temperature reading on the power-fc commander is 80C, even right after a few runs.

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ahmed = total fail.

You have zero credibility to your name, no track experience and youve been banned from every s-chassis board on the net for thinking that you have a clue what you’re talking about.

96

yawn

i can talk digressive valving and crosstalk all day long. biggg deal. in the end it all amounts to bench racing on internet forums for most of our purposes. we aren’t in F1 here. or even Speed GT.

without having so much as set foot on a road course it amounts to even less.

BTW, do you think your super special Koni DAs are immune to the effects of crosstalk? yes, wow, on the stance units the bump will increase a bit (maybe too much) with rebound. maybe they’re a tad too linear, too, overall. do you think that’s going to affect someone’s weekend track day exploits? lol. no.

please don’t think you have some far, far superior product to the “japanese crap” you shit all over. your hate towards japanese (actually most of these units are made in Korea or Taiwan) coilovers is much, much more intense than our (supposed) love for them. it’s much more intense than our disregard for your Konis, too.

neither stance nor mid-range konis will be consistent on the dyno, and neither one’s adjustability is as solid or predictable as a top tier product like, say, a Penske or an Ohlins. don’t kid yourself.

and please relax.

just like you said: driver first.

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“Every s-chassis board on the net”

I guess that’s then son240+zilvia? I never knew the internetz were that broad. By the way I got banned on zilvia for US military bashing/mocking.

Just haters :cool:

spd-dmn yeah you’re right low-mid range konis wont be ultra muchoz consistento maybe, if you’re talking perfection here, but in contrast to japanese shit (taiwanese, chinese, korean, mexican whatever outsourced private labourer place you wana name), big difference.

Ohlins, Penske, sure and I mentioned those :wink: Probably first time anyone hearing of them here, glad you heard of it.

I guess my point was the dampers themselves, as people think ‘shock absorbers’ vs ‘coilovers’ in their silly minds, not realizing shock absorber is a layman term for a damper and a coilover for what it is. People care more about getting a ‘brand name coilover’ than realizing what they are ACTUALLY getting.

The point at the end of the day really is, an s chassis car ESPECIALLY (as you guys boast so much) a ‘daily driven’, ‘weekend warrior’, (whate (as you indicate I’m calling for APPARENTLY)

What makes me ponder all that is the fact that, an s chassis car doesn’t really need more than 8kg/mm front and 6kg/mm rear springs… generally speaking not to mention if majority of son240 owners runs shitty 215s 225s and at best 235s they punked from a wholesale or even worst case scenario used or even REGROOVED tires … begs the question really… unless they’ll be running R comps or something else otherwise, why … just why…

Koni yellows can handle those rates plenty fine… so just why? Why spend more money (your own statements). Koni yellows will offer REAL performance, value, REAL dampening (the opposite of D2s – I like to use them as an example). They’ll be comfortable, reliable, long lasting, rebuildable, revalvable, ultimately customizable, you name it great value for the money.

Yet here we are, all the ‘experts’ stating no no go for stances, spending 1500$ on what exactly? A well known brand in drifting?!?

Yes that’s right, quote how sasha used them. I can quote many people who even used D2s, so what… you miss the point, well obviously you intentionally chose to act that way but I’ll re-iterate the point.

For a daily driver FUN WEEKEND CAR you could EVEN just get koni yellows and eibach prokit 2.2" drop all around…

If anything, people need to invest in better TIRES on s chassis cars to take advantage out of any setup…

There’s NOTHING complicated about even putting together a koni + GC kit, a trained monkey could do it…

Koni yellows are available for so many brands of cars, not because they are ‘cool’ but because they’re a good value damper for real no bs entry performance. Stances, megan racing, whatever, these are available for many brands of cars and because they are ‘cool’ not because they necessarily offer performance or what have you in contrast… yet they are marketted as amazing performance enhancers to the newb crowds who like to see shiny cnc’d things… only thinking “OOH COILOVERS!”, not what damper lies inside with what valving… or what quality of springs you’re getting or camber plates or whatever… hell its pathetic but alot of these pick your color coilovers come with junk springs even… then what do people do, get more bling bling brand name products and go after swift jdm springs yay (they are good springs but cmon… eibach ers springs and hypercos are available locally…)

Speaking of Penskes :smiley:

http://farnorthracing.com/newimages/C5_Penske_Rebound4.jpg

Work of art…

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who cares what who has.

I ran stance and loved them, why? It DID the job it needed it to do.

Got me super slammed and held its own when i ripped the car at the track.

everyone buys products for their own purpose.

PS: I bet only 0.1% of SON members could actually benefit from a more superior coilover setup. So who cares? They only buy the lower end stuff because it does the job on the weekend when they take their car around the track. Not many people are doing some serious time attack stuff or racing.

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well any off the shelf coilover can get you slammed… if thats all you want go for it lol.

And for drifting… well… run crazy spring rates and stiff dampening and you’ll have crazy sliding powers short of being superman :smiley:

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^^ that’s why I got stance.

It fit my purpose and I don’t think many people could argue that :slight_smile:

At the end of the day, we all own a 240 which is a POS. No need to dump so much money into a car worth less than $5000.

I have seen the light and feel silly for spending so much on a 13yr old car.