Friendly guys or not, they made incredibility stupid decisions. I’m in no way saying anyone deserved to be hurt but when you have a child and multiple run-in’s with the cops, it’s time to grow the fuck up. His kid was already on the news saying how his fathers driving worried him, soo sad.
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/amherst/article448698.ece
IMO, these supersport bikes that are built for the track and have the ability to go 150+mph or more should require registration with the state and a special license to be held by the rider. I would even support mandatory speed limiters. This is not an issue of personal liberty when, almost daily, I see idiots (sometimes with passengers) flying down the 190, 290, etc weaving in traffic at insane speeds. It’s not cool and places everyone on the road in danger. It’s a matter of public health.
The same can be said for most things in life that cause injury or death. It’s (unfortunately) the riders responsibility, not the government’s to control these type of thing.
Over on SR.org, they posted the “herd” mentality, I agree completely with the statements made.
http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/erie/Friends-grieve-over-two-motorcyclists
Mike Mangiapane said, “We were told cops were chasing him, so wouldn’t it be cops fault for chasing a guy on the bike?”
Ugh. Ok, I’m done with this thread. I hope they all end up in jail if that’s who they feel is responsible for losing their friends.
Most times I’d agree, but when the rider cannot act in a responsible manner and when that action places others at risk in a public place (highway), then it would be right for the government to attempt to limit that irresponsible/unsafe behavior. I would suggest a license that carries a fee of maybe a couple hundred dollars (not too much but not too little that you don’t care about loosing it and having to pay again) that would allow the registration/plating of a certain class of motorcycle and that can be revoked by a judge. Maybe even higher insurance liability coverages, too.
My thought after reading the Buffalo News article is what if one of those cars that had to weave around the bodies laying in the road caused another accident with more death?
I see far more responsible riders than irresponsible, but the irresponsible ones are common and have the potential to cause great tragedy. We should do more to disincentivize unsafe riding habits.
Why would channel 4 post a clip from his Facebook of him doing a wheelie that’s fucking stupid and making them look bad, the media sucks fucking ass for doing that, the media likes to drag out shit way to much god they fucking suck so bad…
I think your logic is a bit skewed, if not downright ridiculous. So go ahead and define ‘sportbike’ to me, or to NYS for that matter. It’s a bit blurry these days with standard style bikes that handle like supersports, supermotos, etc… Some riders will just never grow the fuck up, and that’s more the issue. Law enforcement is doing just fine when it comes to dis-incentivizing (is that a word?) reckless riding/driving,etc…
This is the dumbest well put together paragraph I’ve read on here in a long time. The bashing you deserve for saying something like this on an automotive forum is ridiculous.
Back on topic:
The loss of life, especially young life, is always tragic. With so many friends and family left behind the dearly departed will be sorely missed for a long time to come. There are a lot of things not being said in this thread out of respect. From what’s been said so far any semi-educated person can get a good idea of what happened. The best thing we can hope for is that by their passing this younger generation can at least learn from their mistakes and spread the word so that others are not doomed to repeat them.
Not to mention how bad the truck driver must feel for running over the guy, or people who witnessed him being killed. I definitely think there should be stiffer penalties for Irresponsible drivers, DUI/DWI drivers, and those who continually violate traffic and safety laws.
I knew that my idea would be controversial on an automotive forum, especially among sports and performance car owners, but the conversation has to be had. I’m not even sure I fully agree with what I say, but until people start discussing possibly remedies like rational people, nothing will ever change. Now you can either insult and belittle me or come into the conversation with your own ideas and contribute something useful.
I’m generally a big libertarian, but like I said, this happened at 10p. I would hate to be driving home with my family after dinner and see some rider come out from under a truck causing me to swerve into a guardrail and get t-boned by another vehicle just because that rider was immature and couldn’t handle his vehicle (a vehicle engineered for a professional race rider, BTW).
As far as classifying, why not go with a combination of features common to modern sport bikes (top speed, displacement, physical characteristics, riding position, etc.)? Or just go by individual model : YZF, RR, etc.
AND Don’t forget as the local automotive enthusiast community, we are the people most affected by events like this. Better we have the conversation and come up with possible solutions than the mob…
That might be one of the stupidest fucking things I have ever heard anyone say. Obviously, not what you said, but what you quoted. You’re right, I hope they all end up in jail too. The cop is responsible? Are you fucking kidding me?
Public health my ass. You can do a lot more damage to other people with a car than a bike. Ask any rider that’s been hit by a car who got the short end of that stick. You’re just hating on the assholes budging you in traffic. That’s not fair!
Oh, and you already do have to have a special license to operate a motorcycle. Maybe you should have a more specialier license?
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L.O.L.
I’m not talking about ANY motorcycle. So, yes.
Any yes, generally, I am. I’m not an anarchist and would rather not have people acting like maniacs on public thoroughfares.
All bikes and cars should have GPS installed so the government can monitor you at all times… They should also have speed limiters set to 65mph since that’s the highest speed limit here… “I to stoopid to understand dem der laws, the goberment needz to tells me what to do.”
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WELL SAID! I’m not known for biting my tongue usually and haven’t chimed in with my 2 cents…I must be getting older. LOL
We all know how intelligent their decisions were, that’s not even in question so I didn’t bother giving my 2 cents there. Bottom line it’s sad and the best posts in here stated the ideal outcome at this point, hopefully other bikers and kids of those killed can learn from this.
As for the regulation post…ninja please. DARWIN needs to be the regulator, not the penalty/fee mongers. Anything you try and regulate will penalize ONLY those that are law abiding citizens, which we know at 100mph the laws weren’t being respected. Laws and regulations are a crock of shit. Just like the gay NY pistol permit wait, yet one can go buy a shotty or rifle AND ammo in 1 trip to Gander Mountain. WAY more damage with a shotty…and you CAN make it concealable if you really wanted to. This is the flaw with attempting to regulate, those you intend to stop…you won’t impact. The system is a failure because the only people that catch hard punishment are those that fear it. Also karma…you can’t expect people that don’t believe in right/wrong to understand or fear punishment.
I think Thomas Jefferson is rolling in his grave after hearing all of this.
Up until avatar posted I would have agreed with you.
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Someone want to break this into two threads? One for the crash, and one for the inevitable shit show avatar’s post is going to create?
The Libertarian point of view may be; No speed limit for bikes BUT, if you damage someone’s property(including their body) you go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
There are already laws addressing this. You already need a special license to operate a motorcycle. All you’re talking about doing is singling out a group you don’t like and oppressing them. Libertarian my ass.
fair enough.
check out the buffalo news. people are commenting non stop on it.
the initial reports (not sure if they are still now) was they passed a trooper, the trooper pulled out and flashed his lights and then backed off to relay the call to amherst PD.
If the matter of public health, they should require cars to have cell phone blockers when the vehicle is in motion. I don’t know many crashes that a car goes off the road because a biker is riding down the road causing the car to freak out but I do know a lot of crashes that are cell phone related.