some poeple are spooked more then others.
like a discussion we had a while back about the hill district, & someone saying they are scared & carry when driving through. personally i have no problem going through the hill, eastlib, homewood/laketon/brushton, etc…
some other member said he delivers to those areas all the time @ odd hours & have never felt threatened or @ risk.
some people are victims & some are not…its just like when people say don’t act scared around a dog…cause they sense fear. certain people get preyed upon & others don’t.
There’s a big difference between driving through a bad neighborhood, and living in one- and dealing with various threats and activities on a daily basis.
You can act as tough as you want; eventually you’ll be tested…and without a means of protecting yourself, you will be victimized.
pleae read my previous posts…you will have your answer… its not the answer you want to hear and want everyone to accept but its a VALID answer, and one shared by the majority. after all if it wasnt, then youd have your way and the US would become even more retarded.
I guess a society where people actually possess adequate means to protect themselves fits your definition of “more retarded”.
ok so lets pretend you guys get your way and everyone is allowed ot carry a gun to school… first of all this isnt going to deter a fucking psycho from coming in and shooting everyone in sight… majority of these massacres results in the shooter killing himself or continuing until someone kills him to stop him… so what makes you think knowing a few extra ppl are strapped is going to stop him… but back up for a second… .so he comes in and starts shooting ppl… so amidst the chaos every hero in the building pulls out whatever theyre carrying and starts shooting in the general direction of the assailant, and i say general direction b/c im just gonna take a stab that probalby less than 50% of all ppl carrying a concealed weapon actually know how to accuratly use that weapon. so now you have that many more stray bullets flying around the room possibly injuring /killing innocent victims… and to be quite honest it proobalby didnt save many lives… google all of the recent college shootings… a vast majority of them resulted in < 5 ppl dead… adn thats b/c you only had 1 person aimlessly shooting… throw a bunch more ppl into the mix with no firearm knowledge and that number could quite possibly go up… my point is leave the guns to the trained officials and let them handle the situation… instead of arming the students put more gaurds in place and set up a better response system!
No response by guards or police is fast enough to save someone from a bullet.
The average gun owner/enthusiast is a better shot than the average police officer. Not that many cops are firearm enthusiasts, talk to a few, you’ll get the picture. People that buy/carry guns by choice may have less formal training, but they often fire more rounds downrange.
or how about this scenario… wacko pulls out gun, quick draw mcgraw wastes him and only he is dead… you gave a worst case scenario and i gave a better case scenario.
that is the lamest shit I’ve ever read. OMG let the man with the gun continue pumping rounds randomly into the crowd of innocent people because a stray bullet from someone trying to stop him might hit someone. :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:
HOLY SHIT, LOOK AT THAT HORRIFIC CAR ACCIDENT WE JUST WITNESSED!!! CALL 911!!!
No way dude, the Ambulance could get in a wreck on the way here and make things worse!!!
:bowrofl:
as if some wacko firing into the crowd could possibly get any worse.
and on another note, everytime you use the word SCHOOL, take it out and put the word SHOPPING MALL. Does this change anything? Are people impervious to stray bullets in shopping malls and everywhere else besides a college campus?
we could always hope the next shooter is a member of the a-team… theres no chance he’ll hit anyone! 5 seasons and they didnt kill a single person but if its a tire… look out!
that is the lamest shit I’ve ever read. OMG let the man with the gun continue pumping rounds randomly into the crowd of innocent people because a stray bullet from someone trying to stop him might hit someone.
HOLY SHIT, LOOK AT THAT HORRIFIC CAR ACCIDENT WE JUST WITNESSED!!! CALL 911!!!
No way dude, the Ambulance could get in a wreck on the way here and make things worse!!!
as if some wacko firing into the crowd could possibly get any worse.
and on another note, everytime you use the word SCHOOL, take it out and put the word SHOPPING MALL. Does this change anything? Are people impervious to stray bullets in shopping malls and everywhere else besides a college campus?
LOL! I don’t really need to respond after that…it hit the nail right on the head.
How is it out of context? It’s just as absurd as the scenario you posted (where out-of-control concealed carry people go nuts and blast a bunch of random bystanders, making a tragic situation even more of a bloody massacre)- which, by the way, as far as I know has never happened. As opposed to the countless documented instances of legal gun owners using their firearms to stop crimes as they are occuring.
No way dude, don’t you remember the Great Stray Bullet Massacre of '65? It was at a ballet recital… rival biker gangs were starting to feud, and they all drew down and emptied their guns at each other. Not a single of their rounds hit anyone, but one of the ballerina’s happened to have a CCW, and killed 33 innocent onlookers with the .22 caliber pistol she kept Velcro’d to her crotch.
i see both sides of the argument. I feel that if they were to let people carry on campus, you should have to take a conceal carry class in order to carry. dont let anyone just carry.(i did not read all 11 pages)
I like the intent of the mandatory training to carry (some states have it already) but I don’t like the precedent it sets. Sure it’s better to have trained people with guns, but it’s dangerous to give the government additional power with regard to who can and cannot carry a gun.
In PA, right now, you must pass a BG check to buy the gun, and another to get the permit. It’s not as if any old ex-con can get a carry permit.
& here in lies the problem…the majority that would carry are not.
plus there are gonna be tons of tough guys/hardasses (trained or not) that are gonna pull a gun on someone over a girlfriend dispute, dispute in the gym, @ a frat party, etc…
I posted the above reply earlier & no one had anything to say about the jackasses that would abuse the power of having the gun…& it would happen.
put it this way if college kids started to carry…i’m more worried about some tough guy or wanna be “gangsta”/campus thug pulling a gun @ a party, gym, etc… cause of some stupid argument then i am worred about a terroristic act or some other random act of violence.
I think that is a valid argument and I tend to agree with you. However, the “gangsta/campus thug at a party” thing happens already in gun free school zones. Remember the Duquesne campus shooting 2.5 years ago that put bullets in half the basketball team? I’m still not sure that having everyone in the ballroom armed is the way to solve the problem, but the criminal element will show up regardless.
I agree with him… I think that you should be able to carry in class if you wish… but u should have to take a training class… I think thats fair enough… it would keep most of the idiots from carrying… and let the people that actually care about their safety carry in class after taking a training course.
i think it works both ways…
i do agree that criminal element will show, but i also think that having a gun can draw that element out of people who without a gun would not be a problem…or less of problem