well since a handful of you trust engineers more than doctors disregard the following, for others though:
[quote=“Fry,post:2,topic:73968"”]
Really? There’s thimerosal in flu shots? Way to burst my bubble of ignorance. I thought that shit had been dropped from all vaccines.
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thimerosal is only in influenza vaccines it has been removed from others. you would have to ask your health care worker administering the dose what is in it. to shift from seasonal flu, the novel h1n1 (swine flu, technically an improper term now) will be available in 3 different types of administration, multidose vials, prefilled syringes, and spray. the novel h1n1 vaccine also will be in thimerosal and thimerosal free versions.
[quote=“drvnkd,post:8,topic:73968"”]
According to the Dr., there are no more nose applicator things to be had and for my kids apt. they get the shots.
OT: Dr’s should be treated just like mechanics. It’s best guess and most are out to get paid.
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for h1n1 since 100% of the vaccine is federally owned and distributed your health care provider can only charge for “labor” basically, and that is capped at a certain amount due to federal reg’s. btw pharmacists are now allowed to administer h1n1 vaccine also.
[quote=“drvnkd,post:13,topic:73968"”]
I trust engineers more than Dr’s.
Aeronautical engineers deal with all aspects of chute deployment where as most Dr’s
don’t do a damn thing with genetics or anything more than ear nose and throat.
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all physicians are different, but its true that you probably wouldnt deal with a physician who does genetics, as those physicians are research physicians (not clinical) and never see patients ever. to be frank, there isnt a significant need for your primary care physician to work on a genetic level, vaccines work with acquired immunity, and you only need a generalized knowledge of b and t cells. also even today genetics is not a very accurate predictor, just because the genome has been sequence, does not mean we understand exactly how it is affected by the external environment of a person.
[quote=“Gus,post:15,topic:73968"”]
So… Should I be getting this shot, even though I’m 21?
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as of now although you fall in the age bracket, you are not within the priority group for need, unless you are immunocompromized or at risk for iLi (influenza like illness) complications. basically it would be up to your provider to determine if you are eligible (the vaccine will be available to all eventually, but not in the first week of october, nor mid october, from data i have so far). elderly people are not really in need of the disease as they have partial immunity to older strains of influenza, the people who “should” be considered to get the vaccine are pregnant women, and young children.
[quote=“LAFENGAS,post:18,topic:73968"”]
absolutely not. We do not believe in/trust the vaccines either. I have nothing on my conscience for not giving my children a shot for polio.
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it is an individuals (conditional) right to refuse vaccination, however legally a private institution can refuse admittance if it is their policy that the child needs vaccines. the reason that vaccines are important is the concept of “herd immunity”. simply stated if 5/10 people are immune, 50% of the population is vulnerable and the infection can transfer from infected to those who are not immune. if 9/10 people are immune the disease has fewer or no reservoirs to “jump” to, infecting others, as its natural course expires the illness goes away. physicians recommend vaccination because those who are not vaccinated pose a health risk to others in society.
[quote=“dawn,post:19,topic:73968"”]
If I had children, they would not receive anything that was not required for school.
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that is a good point, if you are not in a higher risk group it may not be necessary for you to get the vaccine. nevertheless the NYSDOH (nys dept of health) recommends that everyone get the seasonal flu vaccine, and all health care workers (those with direct patient contact) are mandated to receive it. If the seasonal flu vaccine is available to you for free, you might want to think about getting it even if it is not required. for h1n1 (swine flu) only if you are at risk. i have another conference about this stuff monday morning at ECMC regarding all this (so tired of hearing about it) if theres new news ill share, or if there are questions or i was unclear feel free to ask. i was writing in a hurry since i have to be back at the hosp by 3 hah, thanks!
–matt