Cole muffler sold me a muffler for a 97 jeep grand Cherokee with a lifetime warranty that was louder than the rusted POS original muffler. When I complained, they told my that my car must be running very rich, with no signs of smoke. and the added fuel was burning in the muffler causing the access volume. Mind you, it was passing through the cat, and emitting no smoke of any color. After going rounds with them and getting nowhere, I went to NAPA and bought their Quiet series muffler. 5 years later it’s still quiet.
Chuck.
I totally understand now why my english teacher showed me how to punctuate a paragraph.
good story tho.
i think your language barrier with your wife is not all her fault.
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You’re kidding me right? Do you know what emissions are and how internal combustion works??
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Please enlighten me o great one :smash2:
I really dont have the time or interest to explain it all. But if there is a failure in any of the systems that you say the vehicle certainly wont pass a sniff(IM240 or Dyne) test. You should be glad that there is OBDII testing. It only tests to see if the pcm “SAYS” its working properly. It doesnt actually test whats comming out the tail pipe. This is a positive thing (read custom pcm tunning). The reason a transmission code fails OBD is because if the trans wont lock up at highway speeds the vehicle will emitt a higher ppm of Hc’s, co’s, Nox’s per mile than federal epa allows.
I’m certainly not the “Great One” i dont know or claim to know everything. I just happen to know about the obd program and emissions as i deal with it daily for a living.
[quote=“num482,post:68,topic:32352"”]
Tell me how a how throwing a code for a bad TPS effects emissions, or how one for a bad Knock Sensor, or for a Misfire, or for a MAF, there are thousands of codes that can light up a SES light. The whole OBDII inspection is bullshit. I don’t see how a SES tripped for a torque converter or a stuck solenoid in the transmission should fail a car. I would rather have a sniffer test done instead of OBDII bullshit.
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Some days I want to reach through a computer and slap someone. Today that person is you sir. Good day. :uhh:
[quote=“RedrRocket,post:82,topic:32352"”]
i think your language barrier with your wife is not all her fault.
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I do not know why, but that did make me chuckle
[quote=“num482,post:68,topic:32352"”]
Tell me how a how throwing a code for a bad TPS effects emissions, or how one for a bad Knock Sensor, or for a Misfire, or for a MAF, there are thousands of codes that can light up a SES light. The whole OBDII inspection is bullshit. I don’t see how a SES tripped for a torque converter or a stuck solenoid in the transmission should fail a car. I would rather have a sniffer test done instead of OBDII bullshit.
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:shoot:num482 :picard: :picard: :picard: 
funniest thing i have ever seen…
[quote=“Pauly,post:84,topic:32352"”]
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So no matter what code is tripped the car automatically puts out higher emissions that the EPA allows?
As far as custom tuning, I am well aware of it.
Not exactly. OBDII will set a light after it see’s the fault 3 times. But lets say you have a misfire code (which means the plug is not firing in that cylinder) the result of which is that you have unburned fuel (HC Hydro carbon) that are passing through the cylinder and out the tail pipe making higher emissions. The reason trans codes set is because if the torque converter is not locking up the car is going down the highway at 60 turning 3,000 rpm’s instead of 1,800 rpm’s thus the engine is working harder and creating more emissions. The EPA sets limits in PPM’s per mile. if theres a fault that exceedes that (and i dont know the exact limit) the pcm is required to turn on the MIL.
Take it easy on num482 guys. He didnt know and granted his attitude was poor to start he is now asking logical questions. Where better to do this than a car forum.
That I understand, but how does that make the emission equipment on the car faulty? See what I am to get at is just because you have a SES light tripped that does not mean the vehicle’s emissions equipment is faulty. As long as the emissions equipment checks out with the OBDII test and the car passed the visual and safety check then the vehicle should get a good sticker. Sorry I should have worded my original post differently.
You are right. But this is the way EPA monitors it. It is the best way at this point in time to monitor the program. Is it perfect–Hell no! But the alternative is a full on Dyne test. Which is the correct way to measure emissions. But it would cost a whole lot more to implement to customers and shops. Right now a shop buys a NYVIP machine for the cost of approx (depending on options) $1,800. If they had to purchase Dyno’s the cost is in excess of $40,000. How much do you want to pay to get your car inspected?
[quote=“layzie,post:56,topic:32352"”]
snip ***** wrong, …i put a fuel treatment/injector cleaner every 3,000 miles when i do my parents oil changes
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Well anything is worth it when you are doing it yourself, but when some chick with a moustache asks me if I want them to put into my new car; It sounds like BS. I dont trust anyone trying to sell me something, if I want to go out and buy it and put it in myself, then its a whole other story.
First who or what is the next “Jeg”
Secound Red Rocket my wifes language barrier is not becouse of my bad writing skills we talk to each other not write notes to each other. Besides you see how much shit I can get away with why ruin a great thing,By the way hows Mel G doing these days on that big lonely hill.
The states new OBD2 machines though a cluster f–k somtimes is much better than the split upstate and down state system they were using.Just be glad of the price of an inspection in NYS.New Jersey you are charged the shops hourly rate for an saftey inspection then roll into a state run emission center for the other half.But the price does need to go up becouse its not fair to the shop owners who have to pay for the machines and the seperate phone line for the machine required by the state and only get 21 bucks for what could take an hour to do an inspection I could see 40 bucks be fair to every one.
They make it back by charging $6 for a .50c lightbulb.
OBD IDB
I got r back num482.
Even though I need to teach you some things on the OBDII’s emissions monitoring. Well, actually I guess Pauly is learnin ya right quick
[quote=“Chuck,post:93,topic:32352"”]
First who or what is the next “Jeg”
Secound Red Rocket my wifes language barrier is not becouse of my bad writing skills we talk to each other not write notes to each other. Besides you see how much shit I can get away with why ruin a great thing,By the way hows Mel G doing these days on that big lonely hill.
The states new OBD2 machines though a cluster f–k somtimes is much better than the split upstate and down state system they were using.Just be glad of the price of an inspection in NYS.New Jersey you are charged the shops hourly rate for an saftey inspection then roll into a state run emission center for the other half.But the price does need to go up becouse its not fair to the shop owners who have to pay for the machines and the seperate phone line for the machine required by the state and only get 21 bucks for what could take an hour to do an inspection I could see 40 bucks be fair to every one.
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I agree Chuck the fee should be more. $21.00 isnt enough for the time it takes to do a “proper” inspection.
[quote=“Pauly,post:96,topic:32352"”]
I agree Chuck the fee should be more. $21.00 isnt enough for the time it takes to do a “proper” inspection.
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mercedes on main only charged 10 dollars for inspection…
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mercedes on main only charged 10 dollars for inspection…
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Either your car is really old, or they are doing you a favor. I seem to remember Goodyear on Camp doing free inspections years ago. It may have been free, but the amount they wanted to fix my car to pass it was over $800. Declined!
Firestone has a coupon for a $6.99 inspection.
Figured yea, what a deal.
What I failed to realize is that the Firestone I went to is right near UB, a school full of rich dumbasses who just spend daddys money.
I take my car in, my sticker got pulled becuase my steering control brace (the guy described it a “frame on rollers”) was bad and my inspection had to be pulled. The price to fix: $1,300.
Took my car to a trusted shop and told him the story a week later, he looked at it and he said if it was that bad i wouldn’t be able to drive it home. Fucking scams.
[quote=“num482,post:68,topic:32352"”]
Tell me how a how throwing a code for a bad TPS effects emissions, or how one for a bad Knock Sensor, or for a Misfire, or for a MAF, there are thousands of codes that can light up a SES light. The whole OBDII inspection is bullshit. I don’t see how a SES tripped for a torque converter or a stuck solenoid in the transmission should fail a car. I would rather have a sniffer test done instead of OBDII bullshit.
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ARE U STUPID? YOUR VEHICLE COMPUTER USES THAT STUFF TO ADJUST TIMING AND FUEL MIXTURE. IF YOUR MAF READING WRONG AND YOUR DUMPING FUEL YOUR CAUSING EXCESSIVE POLLUTION. YOU CAN BITCH ALL YOU WANT NYS IS NIPPING THIS PROBLEM IN THE ASS BEFORE WE END UP LIKE CALIFORNIA.