I dunno, I donât see the problem. Let people say whatever the fuck they want, just enforce it with bans.
Someone selling something could easily lie about something on the car like has it ever been tracked, or beat on, or whatever. Where in that case a friendly response from someone to question the flaw would be useful. That way the seller canât hide it.
If somebody PMâs him and he doesnât post the new info because it will hurt his sale; you know what they are going to do??? PM the moderator of the classifieds board, who then will PM the seller to ask his side of it, and have him edit the post and when he doesnât edit the post, delete the post, and when the post gets deleted its a cat fight of bullshit of he-said she-said drama that was caused because the modâs decided to not take their responsibility in babysitting each and every f/s thread to keep the classifieds forum at peace.
That clearly is much more babysitting than making sure a FS thread doesnât go to 15 pages of bullshit fightingâŚ
For someone looking to buy a dsm, yes. But i mean like him vouching that he did work on a said car that is for sale would be a great selling point and give the buyer a sense that things were done right obviously.Gary obviously knows a great deal about them and could add some very good information, that the seller or buy themselves did not know.
I dunno, I donât see the problem. Let people say whatever the fuck they want, just enforce it with bans.
Someone selling something could easily lie about something on the car like has it ever been tracked, or beat on, or whatever. Where in that case a friendly response from someone to question the flaw would be useful. That way the seller canât hide it.
If somebody PMâs him and he doesnât post the new info because it will hurt his sale; you know what they are going to do??? PM the moderator of the classifieds board, who then will PM the seller to ask his side of it, and have him edit the post and when he doesnât edit the post, delete the post, and when the post gets deleted its a cat fight of bullshit of he-said she-said drama that was caused because the modâs decided to not take their responsibility in babysitting each and every f/s thread to keep the classifieds forum at peace.
That clearly is much more babysitting than making sure a FS thread doesnât go to 15 pages of bullshit fightingâŚ[/quote]
I COMPLETELY AGREE!
When I start looking for an STi in late 2008, one of my biggest concerns will be how the car was treated. Interaction on the forum F/S ad, will tell me a lot, be it autocrossers that have seen the car in action, guys that have seen the car tracked to hell, etc.
Are you fucking retarded? I mean seriously. You stated your opinion, MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES. Until itâs proved that this system is NOT going to work, give it a rest you poor oppressed being.
Calm down, ahahah maybe you should read it again ebfore you take your period out on me.
Or maybe your retarded.
It says this is beating a Deadhorse, meaning no matter who bitches or says anything else, its nto going to get us anywhere, so its all fucking pointless.
Iâm against the new policies for the following reasons that have been stated:
Whereâs the credibility? If another member has seen a car of part for sale to vouch for it, it makes the buyer feel much more comfortable.
Other members asking questions helps a good deal. IE whats the offset of the wheels? Or something more advanced as âHow much CFM does the blower push at 8psi?â Yes the seller SHOULD know, but he may be too lazy to look it up, or just too busy and not able to be at the computer all day to answer the same question through 10 different PMs.
Others may have the same item and chime in to say âthis part really improved my et.â
Also, some members post for friends that are not on the board. It can be a great deal to somebody, but who wants to answer a million questions through PMs for a sale that is not yours?
I donât like some of the ideas of the new policy, but you never know, it may be a better way to handle sales so Iâll see how it works for me.
Credibility is huge for me when Iâm buying or selling an item on here.
Itâs one thing to be a dick / start shit (Iâll admit, Iâve done it). Itâs another to not âhave a sayâ - if I wanted listing-info-only classifieds, Iâd use ebay/craigslist. The whole POINT of forums is interactionâŚ
I agree with this, and I also agree with 02svtfocus on the credibility points he made.
I like being able to read peoples opinion about a car or a part. I mean itâs been taken to the point where someone has called someones car for sale a piece of crap, when they could be 100% right if theyâve seen the car or done work on it.
Iâm not sure who brought it up but if a buyer/seller could moderate their own classified ad I think it would be the best thing for the classifieds section.
And, Iâm not angered/flustered by this although it seems it will make selling things a bit more difficult/not worth the extra effort.
I have to agree. Newman makes some good points too. Discussion is the reason that some of us look to the FS thread on this board at all. There are many avenues to find cars and parts, but not many that you can discuss the benefits and drawbacks of something. Also, on here you can typically find out weather or not something has been overused, or abused. People often vouch for parts, i.e. installed properly, or improperly. Iâm sure a compromise can be met.
When I start looking for an STi in late 2008, one of my biggest concerns will be how the car was treated. Interaction on the forum F/S ad, will tell me a lot, be it autocrossers that have seen the car in action, guys that have seen the car tracked to hell, etc.[/quote]
So far iâve read a lot of reasons why this system is flawed and a tiny handful of reasons as to why itâs better. Iâve also read a lot of posts by moderators saying itâs âa GREAT NEW THINGâ without any supporting detail, other than âwe put a lot of thought into itâ.
I think the think tank that put this one together needs to be dissolved⌠as the tank obviously lacks reasonable thought.
9 times out of 10 if a classified becomes a big mess itâs for one of three reasons:
1: The sellerâs asking price is way too high.
2: People have had bad experiences with the seller in the past.
3: Someone knows some bad history of the item being sold that the seller myseriously failed to mention.
In all of these cases a community (thatâs what this is supposed to be right?) should look out for itâs members and raise the red flag. This isnât eGay or CraigsScamList, itâs NYSpeed where youâre supposed to be held to higher standard as a seller because youâre not selling to complete strangers.
And donât think this is helping sellers either, at least not ones offering legitimate items. Take my old for sale thread for my Fiero. I had tons of comments vouching for the car from people who had seen it in person at autocrosses and knew how much work I had put into sorting that thing out. When you get comments like that from respected members it carries a ton of weight with potential buyers.
On the other hand, had I listed it with no mention to itâs racing past (pretty much my autotrader ad btw) I would fully expect someone here to call me out with some links to 4 years of SCCA autocross results, and maybe some pictures of the car at the TMP track day. Knowing that any member can comment publicly on your ad keeps you honest.
Finally, Iâm sick of the comparisons like, âDo you expect someone at Best Buy to tell you youâre making a stupid purchaseâ. No, I donât, for several reasons.
1: Best Buy isnât a community.
2: Items at Best Buy are brand new, with a warranty, and I can return them for 90 days.
Feedback on a sale is what makes buying someone on NYSpeed so much safer than eBay or Craigslist. Eliminating it makes this just another home for scammers. Huge :tdown: to the NYSpeed mods on this one.
Vandit comes in like the douchebag that he is, tries to crap on the thread, and the community backs up the seller. Tons more positive comments that would help sell the item than negative.
@ really making a concerted effort to not look like a douchebag. :roll2: