so what happenes when some ricer pulls up beside me and floors it and flies away and cop pulls me and books me for street racing… i mite as well get a bumper sticker that says ‘hello i am a criminal because i drive a sports car please crush it’
if the public wants a solution to street racing, it IS in their best interests for that track to be built. If you have a problem with street racing, help out in solving it, that’s what being a citizen, or a part of society, is about.
if you don’t want to spend the extra money to fund a local venue to race, stop fucking complaining about street racers.
I, for one, will most likely return my car to stock to decrease suspicion, at least in the next few months. i don’t have time or pateince to be pulled over every 20 minutes for allegedly “street racing” because my car is modified.
P.S. I can’t wait to get the hell out of this country. Who here agrees it’s totally going down the drain and towards communism?
I believe that the “crush the hondas” ploy was more of a scare tactic than anything else.
At the same time, I’m tottally dissapointed, and scared of my government and the poilice who’s function is to “serve and protect”
There are fundamental flaws in the propoesed bill, mostly to do with basic human rights, discrimination, and profiling. These, should be very evidant to those who will be voting on it. Then again one never knows what the people in charge may have in mind.
I don’t mind having a structured law in place. But when the the rules become vauge and the discretion is not clear what are we to do. I’m confused and scared.
If this bill passes, I will arrange by whatever means to express my disgust in this countries judicial system, and promtly leave for a country with somewhat sane people running it.
I don’t particularly like being intimidated, or scared by any athoritative figure. I personally wont stand for it. And neither should Anyone.
Crushing the civics in public intimidation, which I beleive ,please correct me if I’m wrong, that it is some type of crime to publicly intimidate any group major or minor in any way or form ? I dunno… I think this has gone past the break point, I don’t even want to go outside anymore.
Amen. I like the way you think.
Amen. I like the way you think.[/quote]
yae its like racism
Well Boys, its time to start a militia.
I believe the quote from V for Vendetta is something like…
“People should not be scared of the government…
the government should be scared of the people”
BTW it is an awsome movie that I really think people should watch. Like Bings above post, the propaganda is tremendous. It is all done as a means to give the people with power what they want most…more power. Stand up and do something about it.
how about we rally?.. or at least write some (e-)mails to the media n gov’t or something. or how about we give them links to our very strongly argued n informative threads
its complete bullsh!t.
if somethings not done n this load of crap is passed itll be hell. is like how they passed the gay marriage thing (hope im not offending anyone). the fawwkin gov’t ignores all our other problems n focuses on something thats so minuit n exploits it so big. … wow.
nothing more to say.
Oh, to throw in another bit of homosexual fun… Sex changes that costs tens of thousands of dollars are COVERED under OHIP, where as eye exams that cost… NOWHERE NEAR THAT… are not. Are you telling me that there’s more men that all of a sudden want to be women, or women that all of a sudden want to be men than people with bad eyes? Something like 99.9875% of asians (hahaha :p), 30-40 ish % of whites and like 10% of blacks can’t see shit, why are we taking away their eye exams?
And yes, Canada is becoming a bullshit police state. This is what happens when you elect a conservative government. I warned people, but they wanted their 1% off taxes. Well, I hope you f*in enjoy your tax cut, b/c the gov is gonna keep doing stupid crap like this, it’s gonna invade Iran & North Korea, and destroy healthcare and education to form a large military so that the conservatives can compensate for having small penises.
There are many problems with this proposed bill.
And the crushing of the two cars is very disturbing to me.
I’ll start with the cars.
The article says they were crushed because they were racing (different incidents), the one owner was convicted of dangerous driving, the other just had OHTA offences.
So only one owner was charged with a CRIMINAL offence of dangerous driving. That alone would not allow the crown to crush the cars because we don’t have any laws that say if you race your car will be destroyed.
The attorney general convinced the crown that BOTH cars were ‘instruments of unlawful activity’ this is what something like the equipment for a meth lab would be labeled. It allows the government to seize assets which are used to commit crimes.
But wait… they were Honda CRXs, any CRX be used to street race! Does that mean ALL Honda CRXs are instruments of unlawful activity? No, because what the attorney general argued was the fact that they were MODIFIED made them instruments of unlawful activity.
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Please see the LEGAL precedent being set here.
The cars were not crushed because the kids were street racing, ANY vehicle is capable of street racing. The cars were being crushed because they were MODIFIED. They are trying to set precedence which would make any modification ILLEGAL and would allow them to seize and crush cars BECAUSE they are modified, not because the owners actually raced them.
THE JUSTIFICATION TO CRUSH THESE CARS WAS NOT THAT THEY WERE RACED BUT THAT THEY WERE MODIFIED.
Just see what Attorney General Michael Bryant said:
“We are targeting cars modified to clearly be used for unlawful purposes, street racing.”
See how this works…?
They are still trying to make modifications illegal, and thus allowing them to destroy your car because it COULD be used for racing, not because it WAS. They are setting legal precedence here, when you do that you don’t even need a bill to be passed. That’s how legal precedence works. In the future cases like this will go to court, and the attorney will cite ‘legal precedence’ based on those two cars that were crushed and in the end we’re all fucked.
As for the bill.
It’s too broad, the police should NEVER, EVER be able to do ANYTHING which gives them the power to charge you with a criminal offence based on OPINION, nor should they be able to take away soemthing like a license BASED ON OPINION unproven in a court of law. They can have a huge impact on the life of some 9-5 worker who has to drive 50 km to work to support his kids. He has a loud fart can because it was cheaper than buying an OEM muffler. Guess what, On the spot license suspension for that guy because he was next to a guy in another shitbox honda with a loud muffler.
Vague laws are BAD laws. It should be written in stone as to how street racing should be determined and it should be done in a way that requires MORE than the police saying ‘it looked like they were racing’. Any action taken should be decided in a court of law, not by some guy at the side of the road having a bad day.
[quote=“cloudzero3”]
if the public wants a solution to street racing, it IS in their best interests for that track to be built. If you have a problem with street racing, help out in solving it, that’s what being a citizen, or a part of society, is about.
if you don’t want to spend the extra money to fund a local venue to race, stop freaking complaining about street racers.
I, for one, will most likely return my car to stock to decrease suspicion, at least in the next few months. i don’t have time or pateince to be pulled over every 20 minutes for allegedly “street racing” because my car is modified.
P.S. I can’t wait to get the hell out of this country. Who here agrees it’s totally going down the drain and towards communism?[/quote]
good point, BUT the public will argue that driving is a privilage and not a right. they will say street racing should never happen and etc etc. Some people might be for making a track but most of the cheap asses won’t. they will feel why the heck should i fund someone’s hobby when they aren’t supposed to do it on the streets. know wat i mean? i’m not on the other side of this, but i can see how they would think. so i’m just stating what the others would see this situation as.
i think this situation is kind of like hunting. but i don’t think there are any government businesses that have hunting ranges to support this hobby. maybe they do, but i think its mostly private. a car can kill, and i guess they see it that way so they want to keep everything on lockdown. just like the gun violence, they have increased the jail time and etc to whoever carries a gun. i bet all those who carry a gun are thinking how we are and reacting like WTF? this aint fair, etc etc. but the law is just trying to prevent more ppl from dying from this issue. i personally really don’t care if people street race, but do it away from the families and innocent people on the street.
and i agree with scribbles and everyone else who pointed out that they need HARD evidence and without it, its profiling whoever has a modified car a street racer. kinda like profiling gang bangers to whoever wearings their pants to their knees. it would be a violation to our human rights and all that, but till people step up then they would understand it. no point in complaining in a thread. use the time and write a letter.
EDIT: i didn’t watch the news but heard about it. so they just pulled over 2 random civics that were modified and crushed them? they never raced? thats kind of hard to believe. i’m sure at least they would be swerving in and out of traffic to get their cars repossesed. its almost impossible to believe they were just driving normally and they get pulled over tehn be convicted of street racing. can anyone shed some light on this specific incident?
i agree with nocwage
the cars that were crushed were from 2003 and 2004,
does everyone remember that bill lastyear that the government was trying to pass that would ban ALL modifications compleatly from cars?
They weren’t randomly pulled over, I said in my post they were charged with various highway traffic act offences and the one driver had a dangerous driving charge.
The point was that the justification used to have the cars crushed was that they were modified and thus tools of crime, not that they should be crushed because the drivers were idiots.
but did they race? was that one of the offenses they broke in the highway traffic act? if it was then tough shit for them because its the law NOW. so then what you said about their cars being crushed because it was modified doesn’t work right? they were caught racing and they choosed for their cars to become vehicles that are a tool of crime. i don’t think they are charging people just for having a modified car, you have to be using it as a tool of crime to be able to be slapped with this new law. right? or no? and yes tehy got their cars crushed becuase they were driving like idiots. one guy got dangerous driving right? probably “racing” with the other guy but there was no law for racing.
and wtf? they were repossesed in 2003-2004…and kept till now? wtf? and now this bill has been passed they crushed them? i don’t get it.
This bill has not been passed yet. it has just been introduced into the parlement hearing.
oh ok, so wtf? if the bill isn’t passed how do they put the law into action ie. those two civics?
maybe it was just a media scene to scare people as you said.
Only ONE of the drivers even had a criminal conviction, so how could BOTH cars have been tools of crime when only one driver had a criminal conviction.
That is why I have a problem with what they did AND this new bill.
(The new bill was not passed, the cars were crushed because of an agenda the attorney general is pushing.)
People have to be VERY careful what they allow lawyers, judges and the police to decide.
Too often people feel that the police must be justified to perform some action… It’s like what if you became a teacher samson, and a student who made advances towards you was mad that you refused them. She could go and claim you sexually assaulted her, you would be arrested, yuor face would be plastered all over the news. Everyone would have the opinion that you MUST be guilty otherwise why would you have been arrested? But the fact is you are innocent.
It happens EVERY DAY.
I’m not saying ‘don’t trust the police’ I’m saying QUESTION their actions, police are people too, and people make mistakes.
Be a doubting Thomas.
Those cars were allowed to be crushed due to a law meant to fight ORGANIZED CRIME.
Isn’t it fun how they can push one law and say ‘oh we’ll save babies and kittens by passing this law!’ and then apply it to something completely unrelated?
This is why you can’t just assume they are doing their jobs ‘right’.
This is a rough copy of an article that a good friend of mine (shawn V) wrote
This is where I have to step in and say something against this. I don’t think that people realize exactly what is going on in their surroundings. Street racing or not. The REAL problem is that the police either lack the intelligence to investigate further, or simply just don’t care.
The individuals they harass are those who do this as a hobby. Who drive their cars to show them off in a safe yet exciting manner. Usually the one who goes to the track, and obeys all the rules of the road. These individuals actually make the effort in attempts to keep the roads safe, by “Taking it to the track”. However, on route to the track. There is not just one problem of the roads being so bad, riddled with pot holes. They have the authorities who are patiently waiting for them. Harassing them. These individuals are the ones trying to keep it safe, and are being punished. What type of justice system are they trying to create. Do they not realize in punishing these individuals, that they are creating a problem. A problem in that these individuals go to the track, now knowing that they WILL get a ticket. They WILL be harassed. Whereas they can race on the streets, and perhaps MAYBE get a ticket. This is the mentality they are creating by harassing individuals who are attempting to keep it legal. It had recently come to my attention that someone had tried to create a local track, though was turned down after already investing millions. If the government was intelligent enough, they would realize there is a vast amount of money that could be made in a local track. Instead of investing money into futile attempts to stop street racing. It’s like trying to stop prostitution, or drugs. It’s not going to happen.
The real problem though is not the person who is doing this as a hobby. Stats have already proven that a majority of the accidents caused by alleged street racing, are people with G1, and G2 class licenses. These people hardly qualified for driving, let alone racing at high speeds in downtown Toronto traffic. They have also classified the street racers pro choice of vehicle for street racing, is a 4 door Honda Accord. Anyone in this industry will laugh at hearing that. This is a misconception with authorities coming up with inconclusive information, and trying to find a finger to point the blame. I’ve been in this industry for 7 years. I’ve worked in different cities, and even now different provinces. None of these places would consider a Honda Accord as a choice for street racing.
The problem here lies in that there are children driving Mom and Dads car, racing and wrapping it around a tree killing 5 people, because they decided that racing with 4 of their friends in the car would … inevitably… make them go faster. Street racers race in Mom and Dads Mercedes AMG, and CLK. No. The car that they have to worry about, is not a pimped out car with thousands of dollars in body modifications. Not the cars that showoff at these shows. But the cars that have thousands of dollars modified to their engines with rust peeling off the sides of their door panels. A driver seat only. And these guys are left alone. Mom and dad buy these kids a Porsche and they race these cars stock. But are left alone. These are the ones to worry about. I’ve yet to see a car with body modifications, or performance modifications wrapped around a tree, or involved in such accidents. Yet they continue to persist that it is these individuals that are the problem.
Perhaps someone will open their eyes to these problems, and will start to point the finger in the right direction.
Only ONE of the drivers even had a criminal conviction, so how could BOTH cars have been tools of crime when only one driver had a criminal conviction.
That is why I have a problem with what they did AND this new bill.
(The new bill was not passed, the cars were crushed because of an agenda the attorney general is pushing.)
People have to be VERY careful what they allow lawyers, judges and the police to decide.
Too often people feel that the police must be justified to perform some action… It’s like what if you became a teacher samson, and a student who made advances towards you was mad that you refused them. She could go and claim you sexually assaulted her, you would be arrested, yuor face would be plastered all over the news. Everyone would have the opinion that you MUST be guilty otherwise why would you have been arrested? But the fact is you are innocent.
It happens EVERY DAY.
I’m not saying ‘don’t trust the police’ I’m saying QUESTION their actions, police are people too, and people make mistakes.
Be a doubting Thomas.[/quote]
so what was the other driver convicted of? nothing?
ya don’t worry, im not naive enough to believe cops are doing everything right. ive seen them do wrong. i’m not a soccer mom, i know what happens on the streets. im not blind. but yes, i will become a doubting tom just for you Max.